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Before the awful events of the Book of Revelation unfold (Chapter 6-19), the Lord is going to remove from the earth all those who have died and had accepted Christ as their personal savior AND all those currently alive who have accepted Christ as their personal savior.
The "come up hither" in Revelation the 4th chapter shows that the disappearance of all these people will be because they have been taken "up" prior to the judgments and wrath of the 6th-19th chapters.
The disappearance of these believers is the NEXT EVENT on the prophetic calendar. The event is described in the book of Thessalonians.
1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout , with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first :
1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Brothers, I can not wait to hear the voice of the LORD HIMSELF shouting "Come up hither." (or as my Mother used to say "get home right this minute.")
As to a possible time of day for this to occur read Eventide .
Lawd have mercy:
This is awesome!!
I am Coming Home
What a heavenly voice for such a young sweet girl!!
Janis Joplin - can you hear her? Janis patterned her style after Mavis.
the soul of black folk n 'merica = WOW
I received an email today from Bonnie and I want to say to her, thank you. For the Body, I say, thank you, the Body needs you.
This is what she said-
First, Bonnie quoted the following-
My beloved spake, and said unto me, Rise up, my love, my fair one, and come away.For, lo, the winter is past, the rain is over and gone; The flowers appear on the earth; the time of the singing of birds is come, and the voice of the turtle is heard in our land; The fig tree putteth forth her green figs, and the vines with the tender grape give a good smell. Arise, my love, my fair one, and come away. -- Song of Songs 2:10-13
Then she said,
One can almost compare that scripture when Jesus comes for us.
I'm not perfect, in fact, started just recently to read scripture, and by watching current news, realize we are in endtimes.
All us imperfect people need to take note of what she is saying. One can almost compare that scripture when Jesus comes for us.
I started discussing the email from Bonnie with Rob and while we were talking, it hit me. This email is no accident. Pay attention was the clear message. There is only one feast time after the spring rains and that is Pentecost. Our Lord could come for us on Pentecost. Since the Lord does thing in patterns, it is believed that He will come for the church on a feast day. Why not on Pentecost? The church started on Pentecost, could it not be finished on Pentecost? Personally, when you study I Thess 4:16-17, there does not appear to be any time lapse within the verse. If there is no time lapse, then, Pentecost is more fitting than First Fruits.
There is a theory in which the dead in Christ shall rise first and 40 days later both the dead in Christ and the then living believers are removed from the earth. This (though not scripturally definitive) is a possibility in that it has a precedent at the time of the resurrection of Jesus Christ. If the dead in Christ rise and are seen walking around for any length of time, say a few days, this becomes a distinct possibility. Some who follow this interpretation also believe that the raised dead are in Jerusalem only as happened here-
And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. -- Matthew 27:52-53
The standard generally held scenario [and the one I have believed all my life] is that both the dead in Christ and the then living believers are removed from the earth at the instant the dead in Christ are raised from the graves. We will know which scenario is likely after the dead in Christ rise from the graves. If some length of time expires after the dead are raised and the living believers have not been removed, we can surmise that there may be 40 days left before both the living believers and the dead in Christ are removed from the earth.
The following table shows the relationship of the rapture to Daniel's 70th week. For discussions that explain the origin and importance of Daniel's 70th week read this and read this . In brief, the book of Revelation covers from chapter 6 to chapter 19 the events of Daniel's 70th week. See the Outline of the Book of Revelation.
For explanation of "MAGOG" see Ezekiel 38 - 39 .
For a discussion of the MIDDLE of Daniel's 70th Week .
Why the Rapture Will Occur BEFORE the Tribulation
Before we give the 28 reasons for the pre-tribulation rapture from Things To Come (plus 1 of my own), the following needs to be said. There are many people who do not understand the real nature of salvation.
This is is true because in some manner their salvation is inevitably dependent upon some form of works.
Such a salvation is not Biblical and is consequently not salvation at all.
Therefore, my suggestion to all is that you " work out your own salvation with fear and trembling." (Phil 2:12). What good does it do to be right about prophecy and be lost? It is my firm belief that many "prophecy experts" will miss the rapture.
Are YOU saved?
Many form escatological views based upon works for salvation as a justification of their view. Some believe we must earn our salvation by being present during the tribulation. Therefore, they reason that the post-tribulation resurrection is correct for the church.
If you believe in works for salvation, in any age, (regardless of a pre-trib, mid-trib or post-trib perspective) your view is not Biblical . No one earns their way to heaven regardless of when (or how) they leave the earth.
Note: All the text from Things to Come were joyfully typed by my son Keith. Mom assisted.
The literal method of interpretation.
We all know that the premillennial (millennial=1000 year reign of Jesus Christ) return of Jesus Christ depends upon the literal interpretation of the Bible. Therefore, the true interpretation of the timing of the rapture is also dependent upon the literal method of interpretation of the Bible.
From Things To Come , a Study in Biblical Eschatology, J. Dwight Pentecost, Zondervan Publishers, Copyrighted 1958 by Dunham Publishing Company, First Grand Rapids Printing 1964, 18th printing 1979, ISBN 0-310-30890-9. This book was a PhD dissertation at the Dallas Theological Seminary.
This is a 633 page book with an index to virtually every Bible verse [invaluable] discussed in the book. I would buy a copy of this book for study . It takes into consideration the work of God Himself in the bringing to pass the fulfillment of the COVENANTS: Abrahamic, Davidic, and the New Covenant. The book covers the history of interpretation, the history of the doctrine of the second advent, the various "kingdom" doctrines, the millennium itself, and also the "ages" of God, including prophecy concerning the eternal state. It is a book that is grand in scope and meticulous in detail. The four prophecy books that I recommend regularly are (though I do not agree with every thing in them, but, if I reread some of my own website today, I might not agree with every detail I originally wrote):
1) Things To Come
2) The Book of Daniel by Clarence Larkin
3) Dispensational Truth by Larkin
4) The Book of Revelation by Larkin
[For those of you who may be of the mid-tribulation or post-tribulation rapture persuasion, I know this book was not written prior to the 4th century AD; but, the doctrine of salvation by grace through faith did not come to the fore until the 16th century either (during the reformation) but that does not invalidate the doctrine, does it?]
From page 194 of Things to Come , we read-
It can easily be seen that the literal method of interpretation demands a pretribulation rapture of the church. The post-tribulationist must either interpret the book of Revelation historically, which is basically a spiritualizing method, or else treat it as yet future, but spiritualize away the literalness of the events in an attempt to harmonize these events with other Scriptures in the light of his interpretation. Either explanation violates the principal of literal interpretation. The midtribulation rapturists will apply the literal interpretation to the last half of the seventieth week, but spiritulaize the events of the first half of the week to permit the church to encounter those. This, again, is a basic inconsistency... The literal method of interpretation, consistently employed, can lead to no other conclusion than that the church will be raptured before the seventieth week.
from pages 194-218 of Things to Come , we read (where quoted verbatim in this color )
The NATURE of Daniel's 70th week.
There are a number of words used in both the Old and New Testaments to describe the seventieth week period, which, when considered together, give us the essential nature or character of this period:
(1) wrath (Rev. 6:16-17; 11:18; 14:19; 15:1, 7; 16:1, 19; 1 Thess. 1:9-10; 5:9; Zeph. 1:15, 18) ;
(2) judgment (Rev. 14:7; 15:4; 16:5-7; 19:2)
(3) indignation (Isa. 26:20-21; 34:1-3;
(4) punishment (Isa. 24:20-21);
(5) hour of trial (Rev. 3:10);
(6) hour of trouble (Jer. 30:7);
(7) destruction (Joel 1:15);
(8) darkness (Joel 2:2; Zeph. 1:14-18; Amos 5:18).
It must be noted that these references describe the period in its entirety, not just a portion of it, so that the whole period bears this characterization. As to the nature of the tribulation (although limiting it to the last half of the week) Harrison says:
Let us get clearly in mind the nature of the tribulation, that it is divine “wrath” (11:18; 14:8, 10, 19; 15:1, 7; 16:1, 19 [observe he omits 6:16, 17] and divine “judgment” (14:7; 15:4; 16:7; 17:1; 18:10; 19:2). We know that our blessed Lord bore for us the wrath of God and His judgment; therefore we who are in Him “shall not come into judgment.” The antithesis of I Thess. 5:9 is conclusive evidence: “ For God appointed us not unto wrath, but unto the obtaining of salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ .” Wrath for others, but salvation for us at the Rapture, “ whether we wake or sleep .” (vs. 10).
The SCOPE of Daniel's 70th week.
There can be no question that this period will see the wrath of God poured out upon the whole earth. Revelation 3:10; Isaiah 34:2; 24:1, 4-5, 16-17, 18-21, and many other passages make this very clear. And yet, while the whole earth is in view, this period is particularly in relation to Israel. Jeremiah 30:7, which calls this period “ the time of Jacob’s trouble ,” makes this certain. The events of the seventieth week are events of the “ Day of the Lord ” or “ Day of Jehovah.” This use of the name of deity emphasizes God’s peculiar relationship to that nation. When this period is being anticipated in Daniel 9, God says to the prophet,
“ Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city ” (v. 24).
This whole period then has special reference to Daniel’s people, Israel, and Daniel’s holy city, Jerusalem.
Inasmuch as many passages in the New Testament such as Ephesians 3:1-6; Colossians 1:25-27 make it clear that the church is a mystery and its nature as a body composed of Jew and Gentile alike was unrevealed in the Old Testament, the church could not have been in view in this or any other Old Testament prophecy. Since the church did not have its existence until after the death of Christ (Eph. 5:25-26), until after the resurrection of Christ (Rom. 4:25; Col. 3:1-3), until after the ascension (Eph. 1:19-20), and until after the descent of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost with the inception of all His ministries to the believer (Acts 2), the church could not have been in the first sixty-nine weeks of this prophecy. Since it had no part in the first sixty-nine weeks, which are related only to God’s program for Israel, it can have no part in the seventieth week, which is again related to God’s program for Israel after the mystery program for the church has been concluded.
In an extended treatment of each major passage in the Word on the subject of the tribulation, in which he deals with passages such as Matthew 24, Daniel 12, Luke 21, Mark 13, Jeremiah 30, Revelation 7, Kelly concludes:
…the view here maintained follows on a close investigation of every distinct passage that Scripture affords upon the subject of the great tribulation. I should be obliged to any one who will produce me other passages that refer to it; but I am not aware of them. I demand of those …whether they can point out one word which supposes a Christian or the Church on the earth when the great tribulation arrives? Have we not seen that the doctrine of Old and New Testament—of Jeremiah, of Daniel, of the Lord Jesus, and of apostle John—is this, that, just before the Lord appears in glory, will come the last and unequalled trouble of Israel, though Jacob shall be delivered from it; that there will be … “the great tribulation,” out of which a multitude of Gentiles emerge’ but that both Jacob and the Gentiles are totally distinct for the Christians or the Church. As regards the Christian the positive promise of the Lord is, that such as have kept the word of His patience He will keep out of the hour of trial, which is about to come upon the whole habitable world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
It must be concluded with the above author, since every passage dealing with the tribulation relates it to God’s program for Israel, that the scope of the tribulation prevents the church from participating in it.
The PURPOSE of Daniel's 70th week.
The Scriptures indicate that there are two major purposes to be accomplished in the seventieth week.
1. The first purpose is stated in Revelation 3:10, “I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.” Apart from the question involved as to who will be in this time of testing there are several other important considerations in this verse.
(1) First of all we see that this period has in view “them that dwell on the earth” and not the church. This same expression occurs in Revelation 6:10; 11:10; 13:8, 12, 14; 14:6 and 17:8. In its usage it is not giving us a geographical description but rather a moral classification. Thiessen writes:
Now the word “dwell” used here (katoikeo) is a strong word. It is used to describe the fullness of the Godhead that dwelt in Christ (Col. 2:9); it is used of Christ’s taking up a permanent abode in the believer’s heart (Eph. 3:17), and of demons returning to take absolute possession of a man (Matt. 12:45; Luke 11:26). It is to be distinguished from the word oikeo, which has the idea of transitorinesss, “to sojourn.” Thayer remarks that the term katoikeo has the idea of permanence in it. Thus the judgment referred to in Rev. 3:10 is directed against the earth-dwellers of that day, against those who have settled down in the earth as their real home, who have identified themselves with the earth’s commerce and religion.
Since this period is related to “earth dwellers,” those that have settled down to permanent occupancy, it can have no reference to the church, which would be subjected to the same experiences if it were here.
(2) The second consideration to be noted here is the use of the infinitive peirasai (to try) to express purpose. Thayer defines this word, when God is its subject, “to inflict evils upon one in order to prove his character and the steadfastness of his faith.” Since the Father never sees church except in Christ, perfected in Him, this period can have no reference to the church, for the true church does not need to be tested to see her faith is genuine.
2. The second major purpose of the seventieth week is in relation to Israel. In Malachi 4:5-6 it is stated:
Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and terrible day of the Lord: And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.The prophet states that the ministry of this Elijah was a ministry to prepare the people for the King who was shortly to come. In Luke 1:17 it is promised that the son born to Zacharias would “go before him in the spirit and power of Elias” to perform this very ministry and “to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.” Concerning the coming of Elijah which was to have been a sign to Israel, the Lord states:
Elias verily cometh first, and restoreth all things; and how it is written of the Son of man, that he must suffer many things, and be set at naught. But I say unto you, that Elias is indeed come, and they have done unto him whatsoever they listed, as it is written of him[Mk. 9:12-13].
The Lord was showing the disciples that John the Baptist had this ministry of preparing a people for Him. And to remove all doubt, the word in Mathew 11:14 is conclusive, “if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.” John’s ministry was a ministry to prepare the nation Israel for the coming of the King. It can only be concluded then that Elijah, who is to come before the great and terrible day of the Lord, can have only one ministry: that of preparing a remnant in Israel for the advent of the Lord. It is evident that no such ministry is needed by the church since she by nature is without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but is holy and without blemish.
These two purposes, the testing of earth dwellers, and the preparation of Israel for the King, have no relation to the church whatsoever. This is supporting evidence that the church will not be in the seventieth week.
The UNITY of Daniel's 70th week.
It should be observed from the three preceding considerations that the entire seventieth week is in view when it is described and predicted in prophecy. While all would agree, on the basis of Daniel 9:27; Mathew 24:15; and Revelation 13, that the week is divided into two parts of three and one-half years each, yet the nature and character of the week is one, permeating both parts in their entirety. It becomes impossible to permit the existence of the church in the week as a unit and it becomes equally impossible to adopt the position that the church, although exempt from a portion of the seventieth week, may be in the first half of it, for its nature is the same throughout. The impossibility of including the church in the last half makes it equally impossible to include it in the first half, for while Scripture divides the time of the week, it does not make any distinction as to the nature and character of the two parts of it.
The NATURE of the church.
One must carefully observe certain distinctions between the church and Israel which are clearly set forth in the Scripture, but often neglected in the consideration at hand.
(1) There is a distinction between the professing church and national Israel. It should be observed that the professing church is composed of those who make a profession of faith in Christ. To some this profession is based on reality and to some on no reality at all. This latter group will go into the tribulation period, for Revelation 2:22 indicated clearly that the unsaved professing church will experience this visitation of wrath. Membership in the group called national Israel is based on a physical birth, and all in this group who are not saved and removed by rapture and who are alive at the time of the rapture will, with the professing church, be subjected to the wrath of the tribulation.
(2) There is a distinction between the true church and the professing church. The true church is composed of all those in this age who have received Christ as Saviour. Over against this we have the professing church composed of those who make a profession of receiving Christ without actually receiving Him. Only the true church will be raptured.
(3) There is a distinction between the true church and true or spiritual Israel. Prior to Pentecost there were saved individuals, but there was no church, and they were a part of spiritual Israel, not the church. After the day of Pentecost and until the rapture we find the church which is His body, but no spiritual Israel. After the rapture we find no church, but a true or spiritual Israel again. These distinctions must be kept clearly in mind.
The rapture will remove, not all who make a profession of faith in Christ, but only those who have been born again and have received His life. The unbelieving portion of the visible church together with unbelievers in the nation Israel, will go into the tribulation period.
1. Since the church is the body, of which Christ is the Head (Eph. 1:22; 5:23; Col. 1:18), the bride, of which He is the Bridegroom (1 Cor. 11:22; Eph 5:23), the object of His love (Eph. 5:25), the branch of which He is the Root and Stem (John 15:5), the building, of which He is the Foundation and Cornerstone (1 Cor. 3:9; Eph. 2:19-22), there exists between the believer and the Lord a union and a unity. The believer is no longer separated from Him, but brought into the closest oneness with Him. If the church is in the seventieth week, she is subjected to the wrath, judgment, and indignation which characterize the period, and because of her oneness with Christ, He, likewise, would be subjected to that same visitation. This is impossible according to 1John 4:17, for He can not be brought into judgment again. Inasmuch as the church has been perfected and delivered from all judgment (Rom. 8:1; John 5:24; 1 John 4:17), if she is subjected to judgment again the promises of God would be of none effect and the death of Christ would be ineffectual. Who would dare to assert that the death of Christ could fail to accomplish its purpose? While the members may be experimentally imperfect and need experimental cleansing, yet the church, which is His body, has a perfect standing in Christ and could not need such cleansing. The nature of the testing in the seventieth week, as stated in Revelation 3:10, is not to bring the individual to cleansing, but to reveal the degradation and need of the unregenerate heart. The nature of the church prevents such a testing.
2. Again, Revelation 13:7 makes it clear that all who are in the seventieth week are brought into subjection to the Beast and through him to Satan, who gives the Beast His power. If the church were in this period she would be subjected to Satan, and Christ would either lose His place and Head, or He, Himself, because of His union with the Church, would be likewise subjected to Satan’s authority. Such a thing is unthinkable. Thus it is concluded that the nature of the church and the completeness of her salvation prevent her from being in the seventieth week.
The concept of the church as MYSTERY.
Closely related to the previous consideration is the concept given to us in the New Testament that the church is a mystery. It was no mystery that God was going to provide salvation for the Jews, nor that Gentiles would be blessed in salvation. The fact that God was going to form Jews and Gentiles alike into one body was never revealed in the Old Testament and forms the mystery of which Paul speaks in Ephesians 3:1-7; Romans 16:25-27; Colossians 1:26-29. This whole mystery program was not revealed until after the rejection of Christ by Israel. It was after the rejection of Matthew 12:23-24 that the Lord first makes a prophecy of the coming church in Matthew 16:18. It is after the rejection of the Cross that the church had its inception in Acts 2. It was after the final rejection by Israel that God called out Paul to be the Apostle of the Gentile through whom this mystery of the nature of the church is revealed. The church is manifestly an interruption of God’s program for Israel, which was not brought in to being until Israel’s rejection of the offer of the Kingdom. It must logically follow that this mystery program must itself be brought to a conclusion before God can resume His dealing with the nation Israel, as has been shown previously He will do. The mystery program, which was so distinct in its inception, will certainly be separate at it conclusion. This program must be concluded before God resumes and culminates His program for Israel. This mystery concept of the church makes a pretribulation rapture a necessity.
The distinctions between the CHURCH and ISRAEL.
Chafer has set forth twenty-four contrasts between Israel and the church which show us conclusively that these two groups can not be united into one, but that they must be distinguished as two separate entities with whom God is dealing in a special program. These contrasts may be outlined as follows:
(1) The extent of Biblical revelation: Israel – nearly four-fifths of the Bible; Church – about one-fifth.
(2) The Divine purpose: Israel – the earthly promised in the covenants; Church - the heavenly promises in the Gospel.
(3) The seed of Abraham: Israel – the physical seed, of whom some become a spiritual seed; Church - a spiritual seed.
(4) Birth: Israel - physical birth that produces a relationship: Church - spiritual birth that brings relationship.
(5) Headship: Israel – Abraham; Church – Christ.
(6) Covenants: Israel- Abrahamic and all the following covenants; Church – indirectly related to the Abrahamic and new covenants;
(7) Nationality: Israel- one nation; Church – from all nations.
(8) Divine dealing: Israel – national and individual; Church- individual only.
(9) Dispensations: Israel –seen in all ages form Abraham; Church seen only in this present age.
(10) Ministry: Israel- no missionary activity and no gospel to preach; Church – a commission to fulfill.
(11) The death of Christ: Israel – guilty nationally, to be saved by it; Church- perfectly saved by it now.
(12) The Father: Israel – by a peculiar relationship God was Father to the nation; Church – we are related individually to God as Father.
(13) Christ: Israel- Messiah , Immanuel, King; Church – Savior, Lord Bridegroom, Head.
(14) The Holy Spirit: Israel – came upon some temporarily; Church- indwells alls.
(15) Governing principle: Israel – Mosaic Law system; Church- grace system.
(16) Divine enablement ; Israel- none; Church- the indwelling Holy Spirit.
(17) Two farewell discourses: Israel – Olivet discourse; Church – upper room discourse.
(18) The promise of Christ’s return: Israel- in power and glory for judgment; Church- to receive us to Himself.
(19) Position: Israel – a servant; Church – members of the family.
(20) Christ’s earthly reign: Israel – subjects; Church – co-reigners.
(21) Priesthood: Israel - had a priesthood: Church – is a priesthood.
(22) Marriage: Israel- unfaithful wife; Church – bride.
(23) Judgments: Israel – must face judgment; Church –delivered from all judgments.
(24) Positions in eternity: Israel – spirits of just men made perfect in the new earth; Church – church of the firstborn in the new heavens.
These clear contrasts, which show the distinction between Israel and the church, make it impossible to identify the two in one program, which it is necessary to do if the church goes through seventieth week. These distinctions give further support to the pretribulation rapture position.
The doctrine of IMMINENCE.
Many signs were given to the nation Israel, which would precede the second advent, so that the nation might be living in expectancy when the time of His coming should draw nigh. Although Israel could not know the day nor the hour when the Lord will come, yet they can know that their redemption draweth nigh through the fulfillment of these signs. To the Church no such signs were ever given. The church was told to live in the light of the imminent coming of the Lord to translate them in His presence (John 14:2-3; Acts 1:11; 1Cor. 15:51-52; Phil 3:20; Col. 3:4; 1 Thes. 1:10; 1Tim. 6:14; Jas. 5:8; 1 Pet. 3:3-4). Such passages as 1 Thessalonians 5:6; Titus 2:13; Revelation 3:3 all warn the believer to be watching for the Lord Himself, not for signs that would precede His coming. It is true that the events of the seventieth week will cast an adumbration [vague foreshadow] before the rapture, but the object of the believer’s attention is always directed to Christ, never to these portents.
This doctrine of imminence, or “at any moment coming,” is not a new doctrine with Darby, as is sometimes charged, although he did clarify, systematize, and popularize it. Such a belief in imminency marked the premillennialism of the early church fathers as well as the writers of the New Testament. In this connection Thiessen writes:
… they held not only the premillennial view of Christ’s coming, but also regarded that coming as imminent. The Lord had taught them to expect His return at any moment, and so they looked for Him to come in their day. Not only so, but they also taught His personal return as being immediately. Only the Alexandrians opposed this truth; but these Father also rejected other fundamental doctrines. We may say, therefore, that the early Church lived in the constant expectation of their Lord, and hence was not interested in the possibility of a Tribulation period in the future.
Although the Eschatology of the early church may not be altogether clear on all points, for that subject was not the subject of serious consideration, yet the evidence is clear that they believed in the imminent return of Christ. This same view of imminence is clearly seen in the writing of the Reformers, even though they have had different view on eschatological questions. Chafer quotes some of the reformers to show that they believed in the imminency of the return of Christ.
… Luther wrote, “I believe that all the signs which are to precede the last days have already appeared. Let us not think that the Coming of Christ is far off’ let us look up with heads lifted up; let us expect our Redeemer’s coming with longing and cheerful mind;… Calvin also declares . . . “ Scripture uniformly enjoins us to look with expectation for the advent of Christ.” To this may be added the testimony of John Knox: “the Lord Jesus shall return, and that with expedition. What were this else but to reform the face of the whole earth, which never was nor yet shall be, till that righteous King and Judge appear for the restoration of all things.” Similarly, the works of Latimer: “All those excellent and learned men whom, without doubt, God has sent into the world in these latter days to give the world warning, do gather out of the Scriptures that the last days can not be far off. Peradventure it may come in my day, old as I am, or in my children’s days.”…
The doctrine of imminence forbids the participation of the church in any part of the seventieth week. The multitude of sign given to Israel to stir them to expectancy would then also be for the church, and the church could not be looking for Christ until these signs had been fulfilled. The fact that no signs are given to the church, but she, rather, is commanded to watch for Christ, precludes her participation in the seventieth week.
The work of the RESTRAINER in 2 Thess 2.
The Thessalonian Christians were concerned for fear the rapture had already taken place and they were in the day of the Lord. The persecutions which they were enduring, as referred to as in the first chapter, had given them a basis for this erroneous consideration. Paul writes to show them that such a thing was impossible. First, he shows in verse 3 that the day of the Lord could not take place until there was a departure. Whether this departure be a departure from the faith or a departure of the saints from the earth, as already mentioned in verse 1, is beside the point here. Second, he reveals there was to be the manifestation of the man of sin, or the lawless one, further described in Revelation 13. Paul’s argument in verse 7 is that although the mystery of iniquity was operative in his day, that is, the lawless system that was to culminate in the person of the lawless one was manifesting itself, yet this lawless one could not be manifested until the Restrainer was taken out of the way. In other words, some One is preventing the purpose of Satan from coming to culmination and he will keep on performing this minstry until He is removed (vv.7-8). Explanations as to the person of this Restrainer such as human government, law, the visible church will not suffice, for they will all continue in a measure after the manifestation of this lawless one. While this is essentially an exegetical problem, it would seem that the only One who could do such a restraining ministry would be the Holy Spirit. This problem will be considered in detail later. However, the indication here is that as long as the Holy Spirit is resident within the church, which is His temple, this restraining work will continue and the man of sin cannot be revealed. It is only when the church, the temple, is removed that this restraining ministry ceased and lawlessness can produce the lawless one. It should be noted that the Holy Spirit does not cease His ministries with the removal of the church, nor does he cease to be omnipresent, with her removal, but the restraining ministry does cease.
Thus, this ministry of the Restrainer, which will continue as long as His temple is on the earth and which must cease before the lawless one can be revealed, requires the pretribulation rapture of the church, for Daniel 9:27 reveals that the lawless one will be manifested at the beginning of the week.
The NECESSITY of an INTERVAL between the 69th and 70th weeks.
The word apantesis (to meet) is used in Acts 28:15 with the idea of “to meet to return with.” It is often argued that the same word used in 1 Thessalonians 4:17 has the same idea and therefore the church must be raptured to return instantly and immediately with the Lord to the earth, denying and making impossible any interval between the rapture and the return. Not only does the Greek word not require such an interpretation, but certain events predicted for the church after her translation make such an interpretation impossible. These events are: (1) the judgment seat of Christ, (2) the presentation of the church to Christ, and (3) the marriage of the Lamb.
This "to meet to return with" is typified when Isaac met Rebecca in the middle of the field to return with Isaac to his place, not to the abode of Rebecca.
1. Passages such as 2 Corinthians 5:9, 1 Corinthians 3:11-16; Revelation 4:4; 19:8, 14 show that the church has been examined as to her stewardship and has received her reward at the time of the second advent of Christ. It is impossible to conceive of this event as taking place without the expiration of some period of time.
2. The church is to be presented as a gift from the Father to the Son. Scofield writes:
This is the moment of our Lord’s supreme joy – the consummation of all his redemptive work.
“husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it’ that he might sanctify and cleanse it by the washing of water by the work, THAT HE MIGHT PRESENT IT UNTO HIMSELF a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish” (Eph. 5:25-27).
“Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless BEFORE THE PRESENCE OF HIS GLORY with exceeding joy” (Jude 24).
3. In Revelation 19:7-9 it is revealed that the consummation of the union between Christ and the church precedes the second advent. In many passages, such as Mathew 25:1-13; 22:1-14; and Luke 12:35-41, the King is seen in the role of Bridegroom at His coming, indication that the marriage has taken place. This event, likewise, requires the expiration of a period of time and makes the view that the rapture and revelation are simultaneous events impossible. While the length of time is not indicated in this consideration, yet an interval between the rapture and the revelation is required.
Distinction between the rapture and the second coming.
There are a number of contrasts to be drawn between the rapture and the second advent which will show that they are not viewed as synonymous in Scripture. The fact of two separate programs is best seen by a number of contrasts drawn in Scripture between the two events.
(1) The translation entails the removal of all believers, while the second advent entails the appearing or manifestation of the Son.
(2) The translation sees the saints caught up into the air, and in the second advent He returns to the earth.
(3) In the translation Christ comes to claim a bride, but in the second advent He returns with the bride.
(4) The translation results in the removal of the church and the inception of the tribulation, and the second advent results in the establishment of the millennial kingdom.
(5) The translation is imminent, while the second advent is preceded by a multitude of signs,
(6) The translation brings a message of comfort, while the second advent is accompanied by a message of judgment.
(7) The translation is related to the program for the church, while the second advent is related to the program for Israel and the world,.
(8) The translation is a mystery, while the second advent is predicted in both Testaments.
(9) At the translation believers are judged, but at the second advent the Gentile and Israel are judged.
(10) The translation leaves creation unchanged, while the second advent entails the change in creation.
(11) At the translation Gentiles are unaffected, while at the second advent Gentiles are judged.
(12) At the translation Israel’s covenants are unfulfilled, but at the second advent all her covenants are fulfilled.
(13) The translation has no particular relation to the program of God in relation to evil, while at the second advent evil is judged.
(14) The translation is said to take place before the day of wrath, but the second advent follows it.
(15) The translation is for believers only, but the second advent has its effect on all men.
(16) The expectation of the church in regard to the translation is “the Lord is at hand” (Phil. 4:5), while the expectation of Israel in regard to the second advent is “the kingdom is at hand” (Matt. 24:14).
(17) The expectation of the church at the translation is to be taken into the Lord’s presence, while the expectation of Israel at the second advent is to be taken into the kingdom. These, and other contrasts which might be presented, support the contention that these are two different programs and can not be unified into one event.
The 24 elders.
In Revelation 4:4 John is given a vision of twenty-four elders who are seated on thrones, clothed in white raiment, crowned with golden crowns, and in heaven in the presence of God. Several answers are given as to the question of the identity of these twenty- four. Some, because they are associated with the four living creatures in this book, insist that they are angels. This seems an attempt to evade the implication of taking the literal identification because it is contrary to their system. What is said of the twenty-four elders could not be true of angelic beings, for angels are not crowned with victors crowns (stephanos) received as reward, nor are they seated on thrones (thronos), which throne speaks of royal dignity and prerogative, nor are angels robed in white as a result of judgment. The impossibility of this view argues for the second view which sees them as resurrected redeemed men, who are clothed, crowned, and seated on thrones in connection with royalty in heaven. Scofield presents evidence to support the view that these are the representatives of the church. He writes:
Five inerrant marks identify the elders as representing the church. These are:
(1) Their position. They are enthroned “round about” the rainbow encircled central throne. To the church and to the church only of all groups of the redeemed is co-enthronement promised (Rev. 3:21). Not yet is Christ seated upon his own throne on earth, but these kingly ones having been presented faultless, with the exceeding joy of the Lord, must be with him (Jno. 17:24; 1Thes. 4:17).
(2) The number of these representative elders, in the book where numbers are so great a part of the symbolism, is significant. For twenty-four is the number of the choruses into which the Levitical priesthood was divided (1Chron. 24: 1-19), and of all the groups of the redeemed only the church is a priesthood (1 Pet. 2:5-9; Rev.1:6).
(3) The testimony of the enthroned elders marks them as representing the church: “And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth." -- Revelation 5:9-10 ). The church, and the church only, can thus testify.
(4) Eldership is representative office (Acts 15:2; 20:17).
(5) The spiritual intelligence of the elders points them out as sharers of the most intimate divine counsels (e.g., Rev. 5:5; 7:13). And to whom amongst the redeemed should those counsels be made known if not to those to whom our Lord said: “Henceforth I call you not servants; . . . but I have called you friends. . .” (Jno. 15:15). The elders are symbolically, the church, and they are seen in heaven in the place which the Scriptures assign to the church before a seal is opened or a woe uttered, and before a vial of the wrath of God is poured out. And in all that follows, to the twentieth chapter, the church is never once referred to as on earth.
Since, according to Revelation 5:8, these twenty-four are associated in a priestly act, which is never said of angels, they must be believer-priests associated with the Great High Priest. Inasmuch as Israel is not resurrected until the end of the seventieth week, nor judged nor rewarded until the coming of the Lord according to Isaiah 26:19-21 and Daniel 12:1-2, these must be representatives of the saints of this present age. Since they are seen to be resurrected, in heaven, judged, rewarded, enthroned at the beginning of the seventieth week, it is concluded that the church must have been raptured before the seventieth week begins. If the church is not resurrected and translated here, as some insist, and not until Revelation 20:4, how could the church be in heaven in Revelation 19:7-11? Further study will be devoted to this question, but such considerations give further support to the pretribulation position.
The problem behind 1 Thess 4:13-18
The Thessalonians Christians were not ignorant of the fact of resurrection. This was too well established to need presentation of defense. That which elicited this revelation from Paul to them was the misunderstanding of the relation between the resurrection and the saints who were asleep in Christ to the rapture. Paul writes then, not to teach the fact of resurrection, but rather the fact that at the rapture the living would not have an advantage over the dead in Christ. If the Thessalonians had believed that the church would be going through the seventieth week they would have rejoiced that some of their brethren had missed this period of suffering and were with the Lord without experiencing the outpouring of wrath. If the church were gong through the tribulation it would be better to be with the Lord than to have to await the events of the seventieth week. They would be praising the Lord that their brethren were spared these events instead of feeling that those had missed some of the Lord’s blessings. These Christians evidently believed that the church would not go through the seventieth week and in their anticipation of the return of Christ mourned for their brethren, whom they thought had missed the blessing of this event.
The announcement of peace and safety.
In 1 Thessalonians 5:3 Paul tells the Thessalonians church that the Day of the Lord will come after the announcement of “peace and safety.” This false security will lull many into a state of lethargy in relation to the Day of the Lord so that the day comes as a thief. This announcement that has produced this lethargy precedes the Day of the Lord. If the church were in the seventieth week there would be no possibility that, during the period when believers are being persecuted by the beast to an unprecedented degree, such a message could be preached and find acceptation so that men would be lulled into complacency. All the signs would point to the fact that they were not in a time of “peace and safety.” The fact that the visitation of wrath, judgment and darkness is preceded by the announcement of such a message indicate that the church must be raptured before that period can begin.
The relation of the church to governments.
In the New Testament the church is instructed to pray for governmental authorities, since they are God-appointed, so that those in authority may be saved and the saints live in peace as a result. Such is the instruction in 1 Timothy 2:1-4. The church is further instructed to be in subjection to such powers according to 1 Peter 2:13-16; Titus 3:1; Romans 13:1-7, because these governments are God’s representatives to carry out His will. According to Revelation 13:4 the government during the seventieth week is controlled by Satan and is carrying out his will and his purpose in the manifestation of lawlessness. Because of the relationship of the church to governments in this age and because of the Satanic control of government in the seventieth week, the church must be delivered before this Satanic government manifests itself. The church could not subject herself to such a government. Israel during the seventieth week will rightly call down the judgment of God upon such godless men and cry for God to vindicate Himself, as is seen in the imprecatory Psalms. Such is not the ministry nor the relationship of the church to governments in this age.
The silence concerning the tribulation in the epistles.
The Epistles of James, 1Peter and, in a measure, 2 Thessalonians were specifically written because of the impending persecution of the church. Many passages, such as John 15:18-25; 16:1-4; 1 Peter 2:19-25; 4:12; James 1:2-4; 5:10-11; 2 Thessalonians 1:4-10; 2 Timothy 3:10-14; 4-5, were written to give a revelation concerning the persecution, give the reasons for it, and give help and assistance so the believer might endure it. Evidently the writers of the epistles had no knowledge that the church would endure the seventieth week, or they certainly would have given help and guidance to meet the most severe persecution men will ever have known, since they were concerned with giving help for the persecutions of a past day. They would not prepare for the persecutions common to all and neglect the outpouring of wrath in which the believer would need special help and assistance if he were to be in it. In this connection Scofield writes:
Not only is there no syllable of Scripture which affirms that the church will enter the great tribulation, but neither the upper chamber discourse, the new promise, nor the epistles which explain that promise, so much as mention the great tribulation.
Not once in that great body of inspired writing, written expressly for the church, is the expression found.
Inasmuch as the persecutions of this age and the wrath of the seventieth week vary in kind and character, not just in intensity, it is not sufficient to say that if one is prepared for the lesser he will be also for the greater. The silence in the Epistles which would leave the church unprepared of the tribulation argues for her absence from that period altogether.
The message of the TWO witnesses.
In Revelation 11:3 two special emissaries are sent to Israel. Their ministry is accompanied by signs to substantiate the divine origin of their message according to the Old Testament prophetic use of signs. The substance of their preaching is not revealed, but its content may be seen as suggested by the clothing of those messengers. They are said to be clothed with sackcloth (sakkos), which is defined by Thayer as:
a coarse cloth, a dark coarse stuff made especially of the hair of animals: a garment of the like material, and clinging to the person like a sack, which was wont to be worn by mourners, penitents, suppliants . . . and also by those, who. Like the Hebrew prophets, led an austere life.
When we compare the ministry of Elijah in 2Kings 1:8 and that of John the Baptist in Matthew 3:4, whose ministries were parallel in that they were sent to Israel in a time of apostasy to call the nation to repentance, with the ministry of the two witnesses, we see that the sign of their message in each case is the same, the garment of hair cloth, which was the sign of the national mourning and repentance. It may be concluded, from their distinctive dress, that the two witnesses are announcing the same message as John did, that of repentance because the King is coming. Their good news is “the gospel of the kingdom” of Matthew 24:14. They do not neglect the preaching of the cross, for Revelation 7:14 and Zechariah 13:8-9 indicate that the preaching of the gospel of the kingdom in the seventieth week is accompanied by the preaching of the cross. The message committed to the church is the message of grace… The church has no other message. The fact that the message announced is one of judgment, repentance, and preparation in view of the coming of the king indicated that the church must no longer be present, for no such message is committed to her.
The destiny of the church.
No one will deny that the destiny of the church is a heavenly destiny. All her promises and expectations are heavenly in character. When we study the destiny of the saved in the seventieth week we find that their expectation and promise is not heavenly but earthly. Mathew 25:34 makes this very plain.. If the church is on earth during the seventieth week all who are saved during that period would be saved to a place in the body. If the rapture did not take place till the end of the seventieth week, and part of the saved went into an earthly blessing and part into a heavenly destiny, the body of Christ would be dismembered and the unity destroyed. Such dismemberment is impossible. This can only indicate that those saved during this seventieth week to go into the millennium must have been saved after the termination of the program for the church.
The message to Laodicea.
In Revelation 3:14-22 John gives a message to the church in Laodicea. This church represents the final form of the professing church, which is rejected by the Lord and vomited out of his mouth because of the unreality of its profession. If the church goes into the seventieth week in its entirety and not just the professing portion of it, it would have to be concluded that this Laodicean Church is the picture of the true church. Several things are obvious then. The true church could not go through the persecutions of the seventieth week and still be lukewarm to her Lord. The persecution would fan the fire and turn the luke warmness into an intense heat, or else it would extinguish the fire altogether. Such has always been the ministry of persecutions in the past. What is even more obvious, if this represents the true church, is that this church is vomited out before the Lord, completely rejected of Him. This could only teach that one could be a part of the true church and then finally be cast out altogether. Such is an impossibility.
The only alternative is to see that the true church terminates with the Philadelphia church, which is removed from the earth according to the promise of Revelation 3:10 before the tribulation begins, and the false professing church, from which the true has been separated by rapture, is left behind, rejected by the Lord, and vomited out into the seventieth week to reveal the true nature of her profession so that such may be rejected justly by the Lord.
This will be the fate of much of the "church" today. A few weeks ago, a radio preacher said he felt that as much as 75 percent of the "church" attendees are lost. A.W. Tozer said "Jesus Christ has NO authority in the mainline churches ." He said this in 1963.
The times of the Gentiles.
In Luke 21:24 the Lord indicated that Jerusalem will continue in Gentile dominion “until the times of the Gentile be fulfilled." Zechariah 12:2; 14:2-3 indicate that this will not be until the second advent, when the armies of the Beast are destroyed by the Lord, as He is seen to do in Revelation 19:17-19. In Revelation 11:2, in the parenthesis between the sixth and seventh trumpets, there is a reference to the times of the Gentiles. John indicates that Jerusalem is still in Gentile power and that from the beginning of the series of judgments, which this parenthesis interrupts, until the end of the Gentile dominion is three and one-half years. This is important to observe, for, according to the midtribulation view, the trumpets are events of the first three and one-half years of that seventieth week. If their view be correct the times of the Gentiles would have to end at the middle of the week, or at least before the termination of the seventieth week, and Jerusalem would then have to be delivered by some other event or person than the returning Lord. This time element indicated in Revelation 11:2 makes that view untenable.
The waiting remnant at the second coming.
Passages such as Malachi 3:16; Ezekiel 20:33-38; 37:11-28; Zechariah 13:8-9; Revelation7:1-8, and many others, indicate clearly that when the Lord returns to earth there will be a believing remnant in Israel awaiting His return. Along with these are passages such as Matthew 25:31-40 and such parables as Matthew 22:1-13 and Luke 14:16-24 that show that there will be a multitude of believers among the Gentiles who will believe and await His return. In order for the Lord to fulfill the promises made in the Abrahamic, Davidic, Palestinic, and new covenants at His second advent , it is necessary that there be a believing remnant over whom He can reign and to whom the covenants can be fulfilled. There must also be a group of believing Gentiles who can receive, through faith, all the benefits of the covenants in His reign. These groups go into the millennium in their natural bodies, saved, but not having experienced death and resurrection. If the church were on earth until the time of the second advent, these saved individuals would have been saved to a position in the church, would have been raptured at that time, and consequently there would not be one saved person left on the earth . Who then would be waiting to meet Christ at His return: With whom could Christ literally fulfill the covenants made with Israel? These considerations make necessary the pretribulation rapture of the church, so that God may call out and preserve a remnant during the tribulation in and through whom the promised may be fulfilled.
The sealed 144,00 from Israel.
As long as the church is on the earth there are none saved to a special Jewish relationship. All who are saved are saved to a position in the body of Christ as indicated in Colossians 1:26-29; 3:11; Ephesians 2:14-22; 3:1-7. During the seventieth week the church must be absent, for out of the saved remnant in Israel God seals 144,00 Jews, 12,000 from each tribe, according to Revelation 7:14. The fact that God is again dealing with Israel on this national relationship, setting them apart to national identities, and sending them as special representatives to the nations in place of the witness of the church, indicates that the church must no longer be on earth.
The chronology of the book of Revelation.
In dealing with both the midtribulation and posttribulation rapture positions the chronology of the Revelation has been examined. It is mentioned in this place only as further evidence. Chapter 1-3 present the development of the church in this present age. Chapters4-11 cover the events of the entire seventieth week period and conclude with the return of Christ to the earth to reign in 11:15-18. Thus the seals are the events of the first three and one-half years. According to the instructions given John in 10:11, chapters 12-19 survey the seventieth week a second time, this time with a view to revealing the actors on the stage of the drama. This chronology makes a midtribulation view of the rapture impossible, for the so-called midtribulation rapture of 11:15-18 is seen to be the posttribulation return to the earth, not the rapture at all. This gives further supporting evidence of the pretribulation rapture position.
The great object of satanic attack during the tribulation.
According to Revelation 12, the object of satanic attack during the tribulation period is “the woman” who produced the child. Since this child is born to rule all nations with a rod of iron (Rev. 12:5), it can only refer to Christ, the one whose right it is to rule. The Psalmist confirms this interpretation in Psalm 2:9, which is admittedly Messianic. The one from whom Christ came can only be Israel. At the time Satan is cast out of heaven (Rev. 12:9) he goes forth with great wrath because he knoweth that he hath but a short time” (Rev. 12:12). The church must not be here, for, since it is the “body of Christ” and the “bride of Christ” and consequently precious to Christ, it would be the object of satanic attack then as it has been all through the age (Eph. 6:12) if it were present. The reason Satan turns against Israel can only be explained by the absence of the church for that scene.
The apostasy of the period.
The complete apostasy of the period on the part of the professing church prevents the church from being in the world. The only organized church ever mentioned in the tribulation period is the Jezebel system (Rev. 2:22) and the harlot system (Rev. 17 and 18). If the true church were on earth, since it is not mentioned as separate from the apostate system, it must be a part of that apostasy. Such a conclusion is impossible. The believing witnesses, converted during the period, are specifically said to have kept themselves from defilement by this apostate system (Rev. 14:4). Since the church is not mentioned as also having kept herself from this system it must be concluded that the church is not there.
The promises to the true church.
There are certain passages of Scripture which definitely promise the church a removal before the seventieth week.
1. Revelation 3:10. “I will keep thee from the hour of temptation.” John uses the word tereo . Thayer says that when this verb is used with en
it means “to cause one to persevere or stand firm in a thing”; while when used with ek it means “by guarding to cause one to escape in safety out of.” Since (ek) is used here it would indicate that John is promising a removal from the sphere of testing, not a preservation through it. This is further substantiated by the use of the words “the hour.” God is not only guarding from the trials but from the very hour itself when these trials will come on those earth dwellers. Theissen comments on this passage:
. . . we want to know what is the meaning of the verb “will keep: (tereso) and of the preposition “from” (ek) . Alford says on the preposition (ek), that it means “out of the midst of: but whether by immunity form, or by being brought safe through, the preposition does not clearly define.” . . .the grammar permits the interpretation of absolute immunity from the period. Other scholars say the same thing as to the preposition ek (out of, from). Buttmann-Thayer says that (ek) and (apo) “often serve to denote one and the same relation,” referring to John 17:15; Acts 15:29; Rev. 3:10 as examples of this usage. Abbott doubts “if in the LXX and John, (ek) always implies previous existence in the evils from which one is delivered when used with sozo and tereso” (i.e. with the verbs to save and to keep). Westcott says regarding ek sozo (to save from) that it “does not necessarily imply that that is actually realized out of which deliverance is granted (cf. 2 Cor. 1:10), though it does so commonly (John 12:27).
Note- I would not give one ounce of credence to what Westcott says. Dean Burgon showed him to be a liar before his RV ever was finished (in the Revision Revised when Burgon showed Westcott used a faulty theory to develop the entire text. See this .)
Similarly we read in 1 Thess. 1:10 that Jesus delivers us “from (ek) the wrath to come.” This can hardly mean protection in it; it must mean exemption from it. It would seem, then, to be perfectly clear that the preposition “from” may be taken to mean complete exemption from that which is predicted. It is clear that the context and other statements in Scriptures require that this be the interpretation. As for the context, note that the promise is not merely to be kept from the temptation, but from the hour of temptation, i.e. from the period of trial as such, not only from the trial during the period. And, again, why should the Apostle write ek tes horas (from the hour), as he did, when he might easily have written en te hora (in the hour), if that is what he meant to say: Surely the Spirit of God guided him in the very language he employed.
2. 1 Thessalonians 5:9. “God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ.” The contrast in this passage is between light and darkness, between wrath and salvation from that wrath. 1 Thessalonians 5:2 indicates that this wrath and darkness is that of the Day of the Lord. A comparison of this passage with Joel 2:2; Zephaniah 1:14-18; Amos 5:18 will describe the darkness mentioned here as the darkness of the seventieth week. A comparison with Revelation 6:17; 11:18; 14:10,19; 15:1, 7; 16:1, 19 will describe the wrath of the Day of the Lord. Paul clearly teaches in verse 9 that our expectation and appointment is not the wrath and darkness, but rather to salvation, and verse 10 indicated the method of that salvation, namely, to “live together with him.”
3. 1 Thessalonians 1:9-10. Again Paul clearly indicates that our expectation is not wrath, but the revelation of “his son from heaven.” This could not be unless the Son were revealed before the wrath of the seventieth week falls on the earth.
The agreement of typology.
While argument from analogy is a weak argument in itself, yet if a teaching is contrary to all typology it can not be a true interpretation. Scripture abounds in types which teach that those who walked by faith were delivered from the visitations of judgment which overtook the unbelieving. Such types are seen in the experience of Noah and Rahab, but perhaps the clearest illustration is that of Lot. In 2 Peter 2:6-9 Lot is called a righteous man. This divine commentary will shed light on Genesis 19:22, where the angel sought to hasten the departure of Lot with the words “Haste thee, escape thither; for I cannot do anything till thou be come thither.” If the presence of one righteous man prevented the outpouring of deserved judgment on the city of Sodom, how much more will the presence of the church on earth prevent the outpouring of divine wrath until after her removal.
A number of reasons for belief in the pretribulation rapture position have been presented. Some of them are particularly applicable to the midtribulation rapture position and others applicable to the posttribulation rapture position. It should be borne in mind that it is not claimed that all the arguments have the same importance or weight. The pretribulation doctrine is not based on these arguments singly, but rather they are considered as cumulative evidence that the church will be delivered by rapture before the inception of Daniel’s seventieth week.
The Supposed Letter from Paul (not in Pentecost's book)
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
-- 2 Thessalonians 2:1
That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled , neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us , as that the day of Christ is at hand. -- 2 Thessalonians 2:2
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come , except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; -- 2 Thessalonians 2:3
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. -- 2 Thessalonians 2:4
And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be reveaed in his time. -- 2 Thessalonians 2:6
For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let until he be taken out of the way.
-- 2 Thessalonians 2:7
And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume... -- 2 Thessalonians 2:8
Some believers had become worried that the Day of Christ had already come (even from a letter supposedly written by Paul or another disciple). So, Paul made it clear that the Day of Christ did not come until the antichrist himself also comes. These believers were afraid that they had missed the gathering together.
Now, let's suppose that the post tribulation (or mid-trib for that matter) rapture people are correct for a moment. Now, let's also suppose that the antichrist has already been revealed. We know that the wicked one is not to be revealed until the hindering force is taken out of the way. (2 Thess 2:7). We also know the antichrist will be revealed at the beginning of Daniel's 70th week. We also know that the hindering force is the spirit of God within the body of Christ. [It can not be the government or the professing church because they continue during Daniel's 70th week.] If it is (for example) day #2 of the 70th week of Daniel, what possible good is this "comfort" to me if my gathering is at least 3.5 years away? If we are not to be gathered for 3.5 years or 7 years and our gathering is supposed to precede the "reveal[ing]" of the antichrist, how is this helpful? It would be confusing only. The answer is obvious, the rapture precedes Daniel's 70th week. Under no other condition would this be comforting. Is it any wonder that God chose the setting of explaining the Day of Christ to reveal the coming of the antichrist? Some say that the King James Bible is wrong here (2 Thess 2:2) and should say Day of the Lord, but, it seems to me that it certainly is correct, Day of Christ. While it IS the Day of the Lord on earth, it will be the Day of Christ in heaven (which is what applies to "our gathering together unto him.")
We are to do as Paul said, "comfort your hearts." (2 Thess 2:17) By the way, this puts an end to the notion that the pre-trib rapture was a 19th century phenomenon.
The Catalytic Nature of the Rapture
In a newspaper interview with the Herald-Journal of today's date, Robert E Elmore, retired U.S. Army colonel and USCS professor (in a discussion of US policy in Iraq) made the following statement:
"A precipitous pullout of U.S. forces would inflame the entire Middle East and fuel terrorist activitiy around the globe. "
What if the precipitous pullout of U.S. forces was really the result of the Rapture itself? Even if only one third of troops are saved presently (and it could be a higher percentage), this would create an emotional reaction in the Muslim world. Of course, the effects within the continental United States itself (especially on policy) would be enormous. The effects on the Caucasus Muslim states (former Soviet Union states) could well be to embolden them to precipitate the Ezekiel 38-39 invasion of Israel, referred to as Magog above. This would be especially true if they view US troops as weakened and vulnerable.
Coincidentally, in the same paper of today's date, Bill McCuen, a past district 4 congressional candidate, made the following comments (in a debate with Mr Elmore on the direction of US policy):
"Last year in the midst of the buildup for this war [Iraq], I was again in the Russian Federation and the Republic of Georgia. There in conversations with Russian , Georgian , Azerbaijani , and Chechen friends, no strangers to imperial ideological agendas, there arose a battery of questions and fears. Would this new global game cause them to lose their new freedoms and further destabilize their countries ? They feared that the United States was not mature enough in foreign policy to stop its gun slinging ways and see that we are creating endless enemies. "
Would it surpise you to learn that the very location of the "Magog" nation in Ezekiel 38-39 is in the same geographic area as the Republic of Georgia and Chechnya? Read the " Magog Watch ."
Today, I received an email (about the antichrist) from Rob T, a reader of the website - http://www.chn-net.com
Rob asks - I was just curious if you knew him [Sal, the author]
Interestingly, I learned of Sal's website from a few readers of jesus-is-the-way.com and even though I had never heard of him or seen his website, the prophecy teachings of his website and jesus-is-the-way.com were very similar when it comes to the location of the antichrist.
However, it is not the antichrist I want to discuss today, but the rapture. I am inserting the 05-23-2004 update before the 04-20-2004 update (because the result of the discussion will be to modify the chart below which was added to the site on 04-20-2004). I had been made aware of a similar theory by two readers, De and Miriam, previously. Their theory agrees substantially with that of www.chn-net.com except as noted below.
From the following page
Firstfruits, the promise of the full harvest yet to come, is the day Christ rose. Casting a shadow of a set time for resurrections into the future, setting the stage for the return of Jesus, the Christ in the future. But, Matthew, in his gospel wrote, at chapter 27, verses 52 and 53, that on that day of resurrection, after Jesus rose, the graves were opened and, my bible says, “ and many bodies of saints that slept arose, and, came out of the graves after the resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many ”.
[of course, the entire thesis behind the idea of the Feasts is that they are a shadow of which Christ is the substance.
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ . -- Colossians 2:16-17 Of course, the Church IS the BODY of Christ.]
On the next page, labelled Conclusion,
1. Many of The Dead in Christ will rise on First Fruits and be seen in Jerusalem.
2. The Rapture of the Church is in fulfillment of the shadow cast by Jesus at His ascension, 40 days after First Fruits .
3. Pentecost is when God anoints the last two witnesses and returns the Feasts back to the Jews for the fulfillment of the final offering of the Gospel of the Kingdom.
4. The completion of the Jewish covenant with the fulfillment of the Feasts of Trumpets , Atonement and Tabernacles by Jesus, the Messiah after the Rapture of the Church.
In the chart below, I originally did not list the Ascension (which occurs 40 days after First Fruits). Pentecost is 50-52 days after First Fruits and it is listed in the chart. Pentecost occurs on May 30, 2004 (for this year) and Ascension occurs 10-12 days before Pentecost. Ascension this year was on May 18, 2004. Consequently, if the theory of Ascension is correct, the Rapture will not occur until next year. I am looking forward to the Rapture so much that (at first) I was disappointed by this. However, look at it this way - there is more time for others to believe. The Lord knows the end from the beginning.
There are those that put forth the theory that ALL (not some) of the dead in Christ of the Church Age will rise on First Fruits and will be seen for 40 days (just like Jesus Himself), after which time, the Dead in Christ and those which are alive and remain shall be changed and caught up in the clouds on Ascension.
The text in Mathew says-
And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. -- Matthew 27:52-53
And the Lord direct your hearts into the love of God, and into the patient waiting for Christ. -- II Thess 3:5
Whenever He comes, it will be the right time.
I would not be dogmatic about this, but, if some or all of the Dead in Christ ever rise on First Fruits, the next date for which is April 26 or so, 2005 (Passover is April 24, 2005), we are all on notice as to its potential meaning - 40 days left until June 5, 2005.
Today, I received an email from CM who explained in detail and clarified the theory of De and Miriam. The essence of this is that the difference between Ascension (which was in fact on May 18, not May 16 in 2004) and Pentecost is not always exactly 10 days, but moves between 10-12 days (in that Pentecost is on the "morrow after the sabbath", the day after the 7th sabbath, making it always on a Sunday and the 50th day.) Since Pentecost is the day after the 7th sabbath (May 29 this year), then, Pentecost is May 30 this year. I had wondered why askjeeves.com indicated that Pentecost is May 30, 2004. Now we know why. I changed the chart below to indicate that Pentecost this year is May 30.
Concerning Pentecost, the scriptures say
And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me," For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence. Acts 1:4-5
Perhaps, after Ascension Day in 2004, we are waiting not many days hence , for Pentecost. If this were to prove true, the dead in Christ and those that remain would be caught up on May 29/30 on Pentecost. Only God knows, but, I am ready should the Lord Himself descend with a "shout" and call us home. Praise the Lord!!
Some believe that since the church began on Pentecost in approximately 30 AD that the church age will also end on Pentecost; that is, that the rapture could occur on Pentecost as well. So, the spirit would have been given on Pentecost (Acts 2:1-4) and the spirit (in the person of the believers) would be removed on Pentecost (2 Thess 2:7). Pentecost (Shavuot) is also called the Feast of Weeks and is one of the seven feasts of Israel. The seven feasts (listed in chronological order) are (see Leviticus the 23rd chapter):
Pentecost is a week long (Shavuot Week).
AskJeeves.com says that Pentecost occurs on May 30, 2004, for example.
Since the middle of the week would be 3.5 days, then, the middle of Shavuot Week would be on the 29th of May for 2004, which turns out to be the Sabbath and the day after the sabbath is the 50th day, Pentecost, May 30, 2004.
Shavuot Week Starts in 2004 26 May 2004 (6th of Sivan, 5764).
Shavuot Week Starts in 2005
13 June 2005 (6th of Sivan, 5765).
Shavuot Week Starts in 2006
2 June 2006
For more information on the Jewish Calendar, go to http://hebcal.com
Please note that Jewish Holidays start at 6:00 PM on the preceding day and last until 6:00PM of the holiday in question.
Example: Jesus would be taken down from the cross before the High Sabbath started (6:00PM) on Erev Pesach I (the eve of Pesach I) because no work is allowed on the Sabbath. He was in the tomb on Pesach I, II, and III and rose from the dead at 6:00PM on Pesach III. They came to the tomb the next morning and found him gone. He had arisen the night before while everyone was observing the Sabbath at home.
Jewish Holidays do not always occur on the same date each year in the Gregorian calendar.
Interestingly enough, read this "call home" from the bridegroom to the bride.
For, lo,the winter is past, the rain is over and gone;
-- Song of Songs 2:11
The flowers appear on the earth; the time of the singing of birds is come, and the voice of the turtle is heard in our land;
-- Song of Songs 2:12
The fig tree putteth forth her green figs, and the vines with the tender grape give a good smell. Arise, my love, my fair one, and come away. -- Song of Songs 2:13
There is only one Feast Day in the spring time that can fulfill this call - Pentecost, which occurs after the spring rains.
I wish that the above was true because (if it were true) we could hear the trumpet blow and the Lord Himself saying "Come up hither" this spring. However, if the Lord tarries, there must be others who will believe before He comes for His bride. We do not when, but, we DO know He IS coming..
Some believe that the dead in Christ will rise on First Fruits and 40 days later those that are alive and remain shall be caught up together with the formerly dead in Christ in the clouds (aka the Rapture) on Ascension Day (exactly as the Ascension of the body of Jesus 40 days after His resurrection.) For more information on Aviv Barley* and this theory, see the following webpage. http://www.chn-net.com/missing/March_09_2005.htm
In this theory, the Day of Pentecost would become the day the Lord begins to deal with Israel once again, the Church Age having been completed. Perhaps, it could be the day of the Magog invasion.
The significance of this is that IF the dead in Christ WERE to rise on March 26/27 2005, we would have EXACTLY 40 days to warn all those we know that we are going to be departing in the rapture on May 5/6 2005, after which the awful events of the tribulation would soon begin. (for 2006 First Fruits is April 15, making May 25 Ascension Day.)
To me, this theory is more than scripturally reasonable. Just wanted to let you know that if the dead in Christ were to arise, you may have the 40 days to warn others. Take advantage of this opportunity.
After posting the 03-13-2005 update above, which references Sal's website www.chn-net.com and his theory about the timing of the rapture (and its possible relationship to the Feasts of Israel), I received several questions and comments. Let me say this - Sal and I disagree about a lot of things. However, his theory about the rapture is at least worth consideration.
One question was-
Okay. I am confused. The dead in Christ rise....where? Back to life on Earth or they rise to be with God. If the second, how would we know if they rose?
This is in an excellent question. Before I answer it, let me say a few things. I am not predicting the date of the rapture. I said "IF the dead in Christ WERE to rise on March 26/27 2005 (and by implication ANY First Fruits feast day of ANY year), we would have exactly 40 days to warn all those we know that we are going to be departing in the rapture on May 5/6 2005, after which the awful events of the tribulation would soon begin. The implication here is that if this theory of Sal's is correct, we will have an opportunity to warn some of the lost people we know. Furthermore, those who rise from the dead will be an even greater witness (naturally) to what would soon transpire. I said, Just wanted to let you know that if the dead in Christ were to arise, you may have the 40 days to warn others. Take advantage of this opportunity. If these dates come and go, it will not phase me one bit. As the Lord moves me along I have come to grow more and more patient in regards to His coming. I must admit that as exciting as the whole thing is, I am growing more at peace about it and less anxious.
Now, onto the question. Sal (if I understand his position) is saying that some people will rise from the dead in Jerusalem exactly as they did immediately after Christ rose from the dead. And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
-- Matthew 27:52-53
The question we are dealing with is this - how long will the dead in Christ have been raised before the "catching up?" Until I heard of Sal's theory through some of his readers, I had never thought the time had any significant length. However, I Thess 4:16-17 does not identify the length of time between the raising of the dead and the "catching up."
My viewpoint of this is simple, I Thess 4:16-17 says of the rapture ...the dead in Christ shall rise first. Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
So, even though Sal's theory calls for some to rise in Jerusalem, it seems to me that ALL the dead in Christ would rise everywhere, not just in Jerusalem (unless there is more than one resurrection of the dead, which I doubt because there is no mention of it that I know.)
Before the dead rise the following happens, I Thess 4:16 for the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel , and with the trump of God...
Sal's theory WOULD require that the bridegroom (Jesus Christ) wait 40 days after He descended and the trumpet was blown before BOTH the dead in Christ and those believers alive would be changed and caught up. Note - I am saying that the dead in Christ are raised in their natural bodies. Later both the dead and those alive are changed into their glorified bodies.
Another question received-
I can't agree with this theory because the rapture or ascension takes place when the dead in Christ rise 1st and then we who remain shall be caught up WITH THEM to meet the Lord in the air as Thessalonians says. So, if those who are alive will MEET THEM (the dead in Christ) in the air how on earth could we have 40 days to tell others about Christ before the Tribulation? That doesn't make any sense.
The point the reader is ignoring is this "the dead in Christ shall rise first" does not mean into the air, it means out of the ground.
This is further confirmed by the rest of the verse [we] shall be be caught up together with them can only mean that the dead in Christ go up together with those alive and remaining, that is, the dead do not go up first, they are raised from the dead first (an entirely different thing). The reader also raked me over for "date setting". I believe I have already made it clear that I am not married to this theory. In fact, I am not married to my own theories either. I am married to the Lord and His Word and I am willing to be open to someone who shows me something in the Word that I have not noticed. Nobody knows everything, especially me.
I must say that the theory of Sal is based on an idea which I believe and that is - The events surrounding the feasts are the shadow of which Christ is the substance. Since the Lord does things in patterns, it is reasonable to expect Him to continue His own patterns.
We are talking about the Jewish marriage ritual in connection with the marriage of Christ to His bride (us). Also, we have the sign of the prophet Jonah who said "and yet forty days..." after which the judgment would come.
The Jewish calendar is set based upon the discovery of Aviv Barley which actually alters the rabbinical calendar. This is why I mentioned the dates to start with - the feast of First Fruits, Pentecost, etc are (in God's reckoning) different from the published Hebraic calendar.
The reader to whom I referred above (when I said he also raked me over for "date setting") has taken some exception to this depiction. His words are in italics; mine are in bold.
I don't think that I am ignoring anything (Well, how can we be caught up together if one of us has already risen into the air as you said?) and NO I didn't intend to "rake" so please clarify that in a posting so all the readers can know that it was NOT intentional. If you are going to publish what is said by us readers, then please put the ENTIRE commentary not just parts you can your point out of. (OK, we'll print your whole letter.)
I say this in the spirit of love, not intended to be a critique or condemnation of any kind. (let the reader judge)
I looked up the word "rise" and in the original GREEK meaning, in relation to I. Thes. 4:16-17, and it clearly means 'to ascend upwards in the sky'. So, when the dead in christ RISE first they shall not only rise out the ground but shall ascend into the "sky" and THOSE WHO ARE ALIVE will meet them in the air with Christ.
We do not need the original language to figure this out. If the dead rise first (into the air as you say), how can we rise together with them? If one went up first, they both can not go up together. It is plain from the context that this is not possible, in any language. It is clear from the text that the rising of the dead precedes the "catching up". The question is - by how much time? I do not know the answer. It could be 40 days.
This is why the meaning of the original language is so important in trying to interpret Scripture. We have to make observation of those biblical times, to get the correct interpretation, to get proper application. We have to follow the example of the Berean church in the Book of ACTS.
(Have you actually read my website? For example, http://jesus-is-the-way.com/Broken.html.)
And besides if the dead in Christ (get out of grave only) when will they ascend into the "sky" to meet the Lord in the air? Will they do this after the 40 days are up for those of us who are alive after they get out of ground? Will they just walk around on the earth for 40 days until this last minute rush of "saving souls" by the living saints ends? Will they go and visit loved-ones who are alive?
(Now that we are getting down to the business at hand, I'll answer your question, with a question "Did those here (And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. -- Matthew 27:52-53) go into town and talk to folks?"
As silly as the last question is that's how I feel this theory is- silly. (This type of talk has nothing to do with the scriptures;
it is "raking". Since you are still "raking", is it possible you were "raking" before?) We all know in part so we don't know exactly what will happen but this theory is stretching it quite a bit.
How can anyone put a date on anything when it comes to God & His Word? It's impossible without the Holy Spirit.
Do you think God would actually reveal to us when the dead in christ would rise on March 26/27 2005 and then 40 days later the "rapture" or caughting [sic] up will occur? This is a ridiculous theory. (more raking) It is giving mere men too much credit to predict or try to predict anything. (what men?) (How many times do I have to say that no one is making a prediction here?)
We have exactly 10 or 11 days left until this theory is proven true or false. (Nothing could be further from the truth. What about next year? No one said that the Lord is coming on March 26 2005. What was said is that First Fruits is March 26 2005. We will not know if this theory is true or false until the rapture comes, period. If March 26, 2005 comes and goes, nothing will have been proven.)
In my honest assessment, the Lord will descend & shout when He is good-and-ready not when man think He will.
(Does this mean the Lord does not need to get Sal's permission after all? :>) )
And if you read the entire context of Jonah 3:4, it's talking about the PENDING judgement against Ninevah that NEVER HAPPENED AFTER THE 40 DAYS! WHY? Because in Jonah 3:10, God relented on this judgement from even coming. Why? Because in Jonah 4:11 God had pity on the inhabitants of Ninevah.
So, 40 days had come and gone and Ninevah was not destroyed. It was finally destroyed years later.
(That is exactly my point - those that repent during the 40 days (if this theory is correct) will be spared and will go up in the rapture also - exactly what happened in Nineveh when they repented and avoided judgment. When they repented in Nineveh, the Lord repented as well. Jonah was in the belly for 3 days. The Lord was in the ground for three days. The Lord ascended 40 days after he was resurrected. Will the church, the body of Christ, ascend 40 days after it is resurrected? Will there be a witnessing opportunity just as in Mat 27:52-53?)
Theories like these brings doubt to those who are really seeking the truth of God's Word.
(Whose mind? Doubt about what? What are you afraid of?)
Let's review the scriptures again (always a good idea) and see what they tell us.
And as we have borne the image
of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the
heavenly. Now this I say,
brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the
kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit
incorruption. Behold, I
show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be
changed, In a moment, in
the twinkling of an eye, at the last
trump: for the trumpet shall
sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible,
and we shall
be changed. For this
corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal
must put on immortality.
But I would not have you to be
ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep,
that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no
hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose
again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God
bring with him. For
this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we
which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord
shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the
Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout,
with the voice of the archangel, and with the
trump of God: and the dead
in Christ shall rise first: Then
we which are alive and remain shall be caught up
together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in
the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
We notice in the first quotation from 1st Corinthians that the dead shall be raised incorruptible. This means that at the time of the resurrection of the dead in Christ, they will receive their spiritual bodies. Further, it is said that we shall all be changed, In a moment in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
Clearly, then, those
believers that are alive at the time will receive their
spiritual bodies at the same time as the dead in Christ
are raised from the dead to receive their spiritual
bodies. What this means is that regardless of how
long the time period may be between the dead in Christ
rising and the shall be
caught up together with them in the clouds, the
live believers will have a spritual body during this
time period. If the time is a matter of seconds or
40 days (as discussed above). The second quotation
from 1st Thessalonians does say that the dead
in Christ shall rise first. The
1st quotation says that the dead
are raised incorruptible (meaning with their
spiritual bodies) and at the same time those alive are all ... changed.
You think the enemy does not believe in the rapture? If the enemy did not believe in the rapture, why does he find it necessary to have already prepared the EXPLANATION for the rapture? His explanation is a quote from the "Creator-God" claiming he is going to remove the bad people so those left can have a great life.
Once again I bring a message from Creator God to the people of Earth Shan:
The real message from the Lord Jesus Christ - ...because they receive not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion [like the above lie], that they should believe a lie:
- 2 Thess 2:10-11
For when they shall say, peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. - 1 Thess 5:3
Letter from Reader
Why do you pretribulation rapturists always quote 1 Thessalonians 4:16 where it simply references the “trumpet”. 1 Corinthians 15:52 in talking about the same events, says it is the LAST trumpet that sounds. Could it be that you use 1 Thessalonians 4:16 instead of 1 Corinthians 15:52 because 1 Corinthians 15:52 messes up your theory of a pre-tribulation rapture? In Revelation 8:6-13; 9:1-14 we have the first six trumpets listed and finally in Revelation 11:15 we have the seventh trumpet (and LAST) trumpet. This is where the rapture of the saints occurs. How could God make it any clearer? While many expositors on the end times have many good and accurate things to say (including yourself) why does almost everyone try to get us out of the clear teaching about the end times that we will be here on earth and be persecuted? Even the other schools of thought , the preterists, the historicists, the amillenialists etc etc all try to “get out of” the truth set forth about the end times, namely that there will be a world wide persecution of Christians by a middle eastern/muslim antichrist and if we are alive then we will be persecuted. This sort of persecution is happening to Christians in many places now. Why try to get out of it by making all these false biblical arguments? It will happen regardless of what anyone argues or how many followers they have. You can’t argue your way out. Why not prepare ourselves to die as it says in Revelation 14:13.As a teacher you should take heed to James 3:1. God does not like teachers who mislead people. The pre-tribulation rapture is a prime example of this. Think what will happen if you are wrong? People will be lead away, totally un-prepared mentally/emmotionally, to have this choice: either die or sell out to the anti-christ. You as a teacher of the false pre-tribulation rapture will be at least partly responsible for what happens to them.
Thank you for your letter. I always enjoy letters, especially disputatious ones.
I gather, then, that you have already gone to the trouble to scripturally refute the above 29 reasons for a pre-tibulation rapture. If you have done so, please forward me your copy of 29 dissertations. If not, I will await your 29 refutations. In the interim, please pay particular attention to reason #29, regarding comfort.
The evidence is plentiful for a pre-trib rapture, if one is willing to look. See above 29 reasons. The weight of the evidence is significant. Your argument concerning trumpets (especially the last one) is easily refutable. My question to you is this- will there ever be a trumpet blown during the millennium? Well, if the answer is Yes, the rapture will not be at the end of the tribulation either (since the one at the end of the trib will not be the last one).
Another question- when the shofar is blown, how many blasts are there? Only one? Did it ever occur to you that the term LAST does not mean the last trumpet ever blown, but, the last in a series of blasts? I fully expect the trumpet to sound several times before we are caught up in the air.
Now, as to my being at least partly responsible for what happens to them - then, could I not say (using your reasoning) that you are partly responsible for leading them into the trib (since they are going there in any case and there is no need to be saved now)? By the way, the logic in either case is faulty. But, I do think any doctrine that suggests that today is not the day of salvation is wrong.
In no way can it be said that I do anything but encourage people to accept Jesus Christ today. Is this not good?
I do agree that all true believers suffer (not later, but, now).
As to Why not prepare ourselves to die - any true believer takes up his cross and dies daily. I am already dead, dear friend.
There is nothing cheap or easy about being a believer.
Letter from Reader
Can you answer a question for me, Russell? How do you explain Revelation 14? To me it sounds like the rapture. Look at Verse 14, "Then I looked, and behold, a white cloud, and on the cloud sat One like the Son of Man.....(sounds like Jesus). An angel tells him to put in His sickle and reap....for the harvest of the Earth is ripe (verse 15). Look at Matthew 24:36...."....No one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but my Father only." Jesus was told (by an angel) when to put in his sickle and reap the harvest of the earth. I realize the angel wasn't God, but my point is that Jesus was told when to put in his sickle.
Then, look at verse 18-20. ..."gathered the vine of the earth, and threw it into the great wine-press of the wrath of God (prelude to the Bowl Judgments) (verse 19).
Russel, this is the main reason I think the rapture is in the middle of the tribulation, but before what I call the Great Tribulation (or God's Bowl Judgments). Russel, I'm not trying to debate anything, but would appreciate your insight here. To me Revelation 14 provides much more support for a mid-trib rapture than Rev 4:1..."Come up here, and I will sow you things which must take place after this." Why can't I see the pre-trib view??
Thanks for writing.The one on the cloud IS Jesus, but, it is not the rapture. It is the time of judgment of the 2nd half of the trib.
The 144,000 have already been identified (chapter 7) as believing Jews from the 12 tribes. It is clear that their role is to preach the gospel DURING the tribulation.
The "good" reaping is clearly a reference to the tribulation saints. The whole chapter is told panoramically looking forward from the mid-trib. There is NO ascension here at all.
The reaping of the "good" is clearly a foretelling of the trib saints who will not take the mark. Babylon the great and it's falling are not at mid-trib either. It is part of the 2nd half of the week. The 10 kings have power one hour with the beast. They hate the whore and destroy her (clearly during the 2nd half).
The whole chapter is a depiction of the entire 2nd half of the week.
PS - See the 29 reasons for a pre-trib rapture above.
After some discussion with my friend Rob about Dan 12:11, in which I maintain that the 1290 days referred to is clearly a time count beginning at the mid-point of the tribulation, I went on the net to look at a few websites that might discuss this issue.
I found this site that another reader (I believe it was TJ) had shown me previously. It must be time to discuss the site.
The Endtime Pilgrim website discusses the lunar cycle (Metatonic Cycle) upon which the Hebrew Calendar is based. The whole theory is explained on the website. To summarize, the author is looking for a cycle of lunar months that can total 2550 days (1260 days of the 1st half of the tribulation plus 1260 days of the 2nd half of the tribulation plus the extra 30 days to make account for the 1290 days referred to in Daniel 12:11.
30 (1290 = 1260 + 30)
Additionally, the author was looking at those Feast Days of Israel which have had no New Testament fulfillment.
He wanted to find a time internal that totalled 2550 days that started on one feast day and ended 7 years later on another feast day.
(A Jewish lunar year is 360 days. Seven years of tribulation would be 7 x 360 = 2520 days. Add the extra thirty days and we get 2550 days.
The author chose the Feast of Trumpets as the beginning and the Feast of Atonement as the ending point (a good choice because they make Biblical sense - Trumpets to announce the ingathering of the Jews and Atonement to be the Final Judgment (30 days after the tribulation).
The author shows those 7 year periods that meet the 2550 day criteria. There are several.
They begin in the fall of 2008, 2011, and 2013 (to name a few).
Use the following websites and you can do your own math.
For calculating duration:
For seeing the Jewish calendar:
The cycle that begins in 2008:
The Feast of Trumpets (Rosh Hashanah) begins on Sep 30, 2008.
The Feast of Atonement (Yom Kippur) ends the cycle on Sep 23, 2015.
This represents the 2550 days needed to have the 2520 tribulation and the extra 30 days making the total 2550 days.
Furthermore, I have believed that a sabbatical year would end at the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.
Another reader, TJ, writes and says that
I just -- I dont know-- for
some reason I just feel that Israels Sabbatical cycle has
to have some meaning of significance, its obvious that the
Tribulation is a sabbatical cycle.
If you use the timeanddate site above you will find that there are 17640 days from June 7, 1967 to September 23, 2015.
This 17640 days represents the complete fulfillment of a Jubilee Cycle when the 50th year begins at the end of the day on Sep 23, 2015 (the Day of Atonment) and 30 days after the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. 17640 days is 7 times 7 years of 360 days each. By the way, June 7, 1967 is the day the Jews recaptured the Wailing Wall in the 1967 war!!
If all this is true and the 2008 cycle is the correct cycle (it might not be), the Rapture will occur on or before Sep 23rd, 2008.
I, for one, hope that this is the correct Metatonic Cycle. http://endtimepilgrim.org/metatonic.htm
The fact that a Jubilee Year would start the millennium, in this case, would be awesomely beautiful.
The webpage here http://www.gracethrufaith.com/ikvot/the-blood-moon-scenario says that the scenario for a Sep 30, 2008 or earlier rapture is unlikely because it would be difficult to pull off the Magog scenario which requires Israel to be at peace.
I agree with that assessment and everything he says in his rebuttal. However, the rapture itself, is going to be a great causal factor. When it comes, it will TOTALLY change the situation that now exists.
See this quote-
Imagine what it would be like if the world woke up tomorrow morning and the Rapture had come "as a thief in the night" with the current military situation being what it is . Let's suppose that as many as one half the US military were Raptured and part of the US leadership in the United States as well. The PRESSURE to implement the "covenant" would mount and the events would accelerate dramatically. The "covenant" is the Bible term for that "agreement" which authorizes the military actions of the antichrist. The term "RoadMap" (or some variation of it) is used in the political arena to describe the same "agreement". This agreement, the "RoadMap", has as one of its main objectives that a "Palestinian State" be created.
Suppose the Dead in Christ rise soon. Would the disappearance of US military personnel and leadership not TOTALLY change the landscape and enable a trib start of Sep 30, 2008? I believe it could. Only time will tell.
Go to http://www.hebcal.com/hebcal/
When you get there, search for 2008 and the month of June.
What do you see? Answer- you see the Erev Shavuot. This means the Eve of Shavuot. It begins at 6:00 PM Jerusalem time.
Go here and compare Jerusalem time to the time where you live. http://24timezones.com/
Shavuot begins in the Eastern time zone of the United States at 11:00 AM on June 8.
What is Shavuot? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shavuot which says -
Since Shavuot occurs 50 days after Passover, Christians gave it the name Pentecost (πεντηκόστη, "fiftieth day").
The church began on Pentecost.
And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. Acts 2:1-4.
The spirit came on Pentecost. Will the spirit LEAVE the earth on Pentecost? It could happen and IF it does, it will fit the description above dated 05-12-2008. The Spirit is in the believers and the believers will LEAVE the earth.
Another tradition holds that Enoch, one of the patriarchs from Genesis 5, was born on the day later to be known as Pentecost. Enoch's name means "teaching" a primary function of the Church and so many scholars see him as a "type" of the church as well. Genesis 5:21-23 indicates that Enoch was very close to God and was actually taken live (raptured) into Heaven some time before the Great Flood.
Pre-Trib scholars see this event as hinting of a yet future disappearance of the Church just before the Great Tribulation, especially since the Lord said that the day of His coming would be like the days of Noah. In the Days of Noah the unbelieving world was destroyed in the judgment, a believing remnant was preserved through the judgment and Enoch disappeared before the judgment. If these conditions repeat themselves as the Lord indicated, then preceding the 2nd Coming, the unbelieving world will again be destroyed in the judgment, a believing remnant of Israel will be preserved through the judgment, and the church will disappear sometime before the judgment.
These same traditions also hold that Enoch disappeared from Earth on his birthday. So here's a model in Genesis of a man identified with the church being born and raptured on the day that would become Pentecost, the day the church was also born. And that's why of all the Jewish feasts, Pentecost is the most likely Rapture Day All this of course is merely an accumulation of circumstantial evidence. The Rapture is a secret event, and as such it's exact timing is known only to God. And if, as I believe, it will happen as soon as the full number has come in, then it would be impossible for anyone on Earth to know the day or the hour in advance.Read this-
No one knows the exact day, dear friend.
However, Jesus is coming for His own soon.
It could be on June 8 - 9 on this year.
Even so, come, Lord Jesus!!! Blow the trumpet!! And the Lord said, Come up hither!!!
If He does come then and you are left, you are going to be in the tribulation described in the Book of Revelation.
05-18-2008 part A
Go to http://www.hebcal.com/hebcal/
Search for September 2015. What do you see on Sep 28? You see Succoth. This is the Feast of Tabernacles. Tabernacles follows The Feast of Atonement (whereby Judgment is rendered). After the Judgment is rendered at Atonement, those saved of Israel will Tabernacle (dwell) with the Lord Jesus Christ who has returned to the earth to rule from Jerusalem.
Tradition has it that a Lunar eclipse has in mind Jerusalem.
A solar eclipse has in mind the Gentile nations.
Go to this website.
Find 2015 Sep 28. On that day there is a Lunar eclipse. The day that Israel "Tabernacles" with Jesus Christ IN JERUSALEM there will be a lunar eclipse!!!
Read the Wikipedia description of Succoth. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukkot
Sukkot (Hebrew: סוכות or סֻכּוֹת, sukkōt ; "booths", also known as Succoth, Sukkos, Feast of Booths or Feast of Tabernacles), is a Biblical pilgrimage festival that occurs in autumn on the 15th day of the month of Tishri (late September to late October). The holiday lasts 7 days. Outside the land of Israel, many people continue to sit in the Sukkah on the following day, Shemini Atzeret. In Judaism it is one of the three major holidays known collectively as the Shalosh Regalim (three pilgrim festivals), when historically the Jewish populace traveled to the Temple in Jerusalem.
The second coming of Jesus Christ is the reality to which Succoth has always pointed. That reality may well occur in 2015.
If this turns out to be the case, the world is going to enter the long prophesied Biblical Tribulation in the coming fall of 2008.
Here is a chart of events prophesied. When they occur, only time will tell. Are YOU ready?????? That is the only question.
More to come.
End 05-18-2008 Part A
05-18-2008 Part B
When it comes to "date setting" read this page. I am not afraid to take this issue head on. I will obey the scriptures regardless of what they say.
After you read the page, give some CAREFUL thought to the theme of knowing the times and seasons of Christ's return. The Day of the Lord is NOT going to come as a thief to those Wise Virgins.
There is, however, a technical error on the "date setting" page. The page says -
So, when, the people believe that "Peace and Safety" has been achieved, the Rapture will come suddenly and then comes sudden destruction- the events of Revelation 6-19.
That statement is wrong. This error is clear now. It will not be the Rapture that scripturally comes suddenly, though it will. It will be the Beginning of the Tribulation (aka Daniel's 70th week) and the Magog Invasion that will come suddenly. Why? Answer- The Day of the Lord will come suddenly (and only to the unwise will it come suddenly). The Rapture is a mystery, a background to the HEBRAIC Time of Jacob's Trouble. The Book of Revelation is a fulfillment of Daniel's prophesy. Friends, this is about the Lord's love affair with the Hebrews. He made His promises and He will keep them.
We (i.e., the Church) are just a parentheses= Hebrew 69 weeks (Church Age) then the Hebrew 70th Week after the Church Age.
When the Rapture comes, it will be explained away. (readers Justin and Rick send http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/oukoe_uk_pope_extraterrestrials)
You can find explanations already out there, alien abduction being one of the chief explanations (quantum leaps in evolution to get rid of "bad genes" being another). When the tribulation comes it will be personal to those left behind. No one will be able to explain away the JUDGMENT to come. The Rapture will cause the peace process to kick into high gear. Technically, the chart above is wrong in that the Peace Process (though on-going) that gets the job done will come AFTER the rapture and BEFORE Magog. Of course, one of the themes of this website has been the confluence of both war and peace (as we see the events unfold). Things are becoming clearer for those who follow the scripture directive to WATCH. Are you going to REFUSE to Watch?
Here is a copyrighted Omega Letter article that explains what a stir Mark Blitz has caused. I do not know if Mark Blitz is right or wrong, but, I do know that if Mark's research is correct, the coincidences are amazing.
My email boxes have been filling up with messages about the Blood Moon of 2015 and questions about a theory it signals the 2nd Coming of Christ. The 'Blood Moon' story has also made the rounds of our forums, some of whom must be getting some of the same emails that I am.
The premise is irresistible; a series of lunar and solar eclipses will occur during Passover and Succot (Feast of Tabernacles) seven years from now suggest a date for the Second Coming of Christ.
Mark Blitz, pastor of El Shaddai Ministries in Bonney Lake, Washington, notes that the only string of four consecutive blood moons that coincide with Passover in the spring and the Feast of Tabernacles will take place between 2014 and 2015 on the standard Gregorian calendar.It then follows that the Second Coming of Christ will take place at the end of the Feast of Trumpets -- at the last trump, as it were.
(Actually Jack Kinsella seems to err here. Mark does not say He returns on the Feast of Trumpets. According to Mark's thesis, the trib would have to end 30 days before the Feast of Atonement. The Feast of Trumpets is only 10 days before the Feast of Atonement. If Jack is right, "immediately after" of Mathew would mean 20 days.)
Blitz has put together a very compelling argument:
"The fact that it doesn't happen again in this century I think is very significant," Biltz explains. "So then I looked at last century, and, believe it or not, the last time that four blood red moons occurred together was in 1967 and 1968 tied to Jerusalem recaptured by Israel."
Moreover, according to a WND report, Blitz noted a pattern of blood moon events that took place in 1948, two others in 1949 and 1950 took place on Passover and Succot.
According to Blitz (I haven't done the research myself) the last time that the astronomical phenomenon known as 'tetrads' had taken place prior to 1948 was back in the 14th century, but "none of those fell on Passover or Succot," he said.
Pastor Blitz' research makes a compelling case, as I noted earlier:
"You have the religious year beginning with the total solar eclipse, two weeks later a total lunar eclipse on Passover, and then the civil year beginning with the solar eclipse followed two weeks later by another total blood red moon on the Feast of Succoth all in 2015."
It was so compelling that J.R. Church of 'Prophecy in the News' is convinced:
"If you think that this is a coincidence, I want you to know that it's time! There are no more of these for the rest of the century."
less convinced. Call me a hopeful skeptic. (Says
Go here and watch Mark speak. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2IrCyNxn5o
Three sets of blood-red moons that corresponded to significant events:
The 1492 Spanish Inquisition, the 1948 War of Independence and the 1967 Six-Day War had back-to-back, blood-red moons occur on the first day of Passover and Sukkot the following two years or beginning the same year of the 1967 Six-Day War for two years.
The Spanish Inquisition — 1492
* Passover, April 2, 1493
The War of Independence — 1948
* Passover, April 13, 1949
The Six-Day War — 1967
* First Day of Passover, April 24, 1967
What will occur in the 2013–2015 time period?
* First Day of Passover, April 15, 2014
Fall Feasts in 2015
* Rosh Hashanah (The Feast of Trumpets), Sept. 14
This year's blood-red moon
During this year's Feb. 21 "blood-red" moon, Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak and IDF Chief of Staff Gabi Ashkenazi spoke of preparation for war with Hezbollah and Hamas, and both those terror organizations leaders were bold in their rhetoric against Israel in this time of great tension.
The Temple Mount and blood-red moons
Previously, I wrote about the Temple Mount in Jerusalem
and the two connections to peace talks and the blood-red
moons of July 16, 2000, and Aug. 28, 2007.
All I have to say is - are YOU ready to meet the Lord Jesus Christ, the maker of heaven and earth, FACE TO FACE? You are going to and soon. The suffering Messiah, the great I AM - you will be standing right in front of Him!! This is true if He comes this year, 8 years from now, or some other time. He will not tarry.
End 05-18-2008 Part B
There are people promoting the red-moon theory who are part of the US intelligence community. Why? They want to use it as a cover for the planned attack on Iran by the US. They are actually using prophecy people to justify the proposed attack on Iran.
Will their plan come to fruition? I don't think so. Something else could happen.
Total solar eclipse on August 1, 2008
The Lord is angry with the gentile nations. Notice that the most significant track goes through northern Russia.
Will this be the date of the Magog invasion? Perhaps. Will it supercede the planned attack of the US on Iran? Probably not.
The planned attack is reported to be June-July.
But, the Rapture would supercede the plan. What would follow? Chaos. Then, the peace process. Then, the Magog invasion (on Aug 1?) Amazing. Only time will tell.
We have discussed the time of day that the rapture COULD occur. This could be between the start of the Pentecost at 6:00PM Jerusalem time and twilight which begins at sundown (7:43PM Jerusalem time on June 8). Or during the 2nd or 3rd watch of the night (see Luke 12:38-39). No one knows for sure. Only time will tell. However, the LORD has told us to watch. See 1 Thessalonians 5:2-6 below.
If this is true, then possibly between 11:00AM and 12:43 PM (or near) Eastern time in the US. See this picture of eventide. I pray that this is true. I want to see Him. I will run to Him just like a child. I deeply long to see my Lord, my Saviour, my friend, Jesus Christ. I miss Him so much!!
If He tarries, I wiil be waiting for Him. No matter when the Lord comes, please be ready for Him. Even so, come Lord Jesus.
1 Thessalonians 5:2-6 For when they [the unbelieving left behind] shall say, Peace and safety ; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape . But ye, brethren , [the believers] are not in darkness , that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
How is that day NOT going to overtake us if we are left in the dark about it?
Question: If He comes and you BELIEVE you are a Christian and you are left behind, why is this?
Answer: You never truly had a salvation experience; you never repented. True salvation is born from TRUE NEED.
It is not too late to repent.
God shows us something every day.
Go to hebcal.com and see when Pentecost actually is. It is 9th and 10th of June. See John 7:37-39 (last day of the feast).
Now read Acts chapter 2. The mystery is in there, friends. I don't know what it means. If you figure this, let me know.
Acts chapter 2:1 says - WHEN THE DAY OF PENTECOST WAS FULLY COME!!!!
So, FULLY COME is when it can happen.
FULLY COME could well mean the third watch after midnight as the 9th becomes the 10th.
This could be about midnight to 3:00AM Jerusalem time or 5:00PM to 8:00 PM eastern time on the 9th.
Peter spoke at the 3rd hour (or 9:00 AM) concerning what had already happened.
The "drunks" will explain on the 10th.
We weren't drunk, we saw this!!! - what the people left will say.
My friend, Rob T, and I put this together in a conversation over the scriptures.
Then I got the confirmation below.
By the way, as i was getting ready to send the email, an email arrived from Candace S., a reader, who said the SAME THING!!
Don't you realize we are now "sitting" waiting on the same spirit of Acts Chapter 2!!!! Praise the LORD together!!
It is now 7:05 PM. If anyone understands "fully come" from Acts 2:1, please write with your ideas. Some have intimated that it is associated with the fruit of Pentecost. Could it be toward the end of the 10th?
Regardless of when He comes, it will be right on time. Even so, come Lord Jesus.
The Pentecost scenario is one worked backwards from a 2015 physical return. The 2015 return is based upon the Jubilee Year and all the other phenomena listed above, including a Magog invasion outside of Daniel's 70th week.
Pentecost continues until 6:00PM Jerusalem time today. The day is not finished.
If the Lord tarries, we may have to consider a Magog scenario in the early part of Daniel's 70th week. And we would have to consider a Rapture not on Pentecost (unless the total day count is less, aka, days cut short.)
I do know this (on a personal level) - there are individuals being saved now. He will not come until the last elected believer is added to the church. Praise His name forever!!!
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, FOR THOU ART WITH ME!!! I KNOW that I WILL dwell in the House of the Lord forever.
I will continue to watch for the Lord. Be a watcher yourself. I am sustained by His grace and love. It is 6:35 AM eastern time.
Curiously, June 15, 2008 is celebrated as Pentecost by the Eastern Church. I do not know why.
http://www.theshininglight.info/id14.html (from Ed)
Here is my understanding. So far, we have not gotten Feasts 101 correct. LOL
These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.
In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover.
Christ died on the the erev (eve) of Passover and they hurried to take down His body before the Sabbath began.
And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread. (This is a sabbath)
And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest: And he shall wave the sheaf before the LORD, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it.
Here is the REAL Pentecost-
And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete: Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD.
Note that it is 7 sabbaths plus one day from the DAY A SHEAF OF THE FIRST FRUITS OF THE HARVEST IS WAVED.
Most calculations are based on a count from the Sabbath of the Unleavened Bread. That is what Hebcal.com is doing. From April 21, 2008 until June 10, 2008 is 50 days. Is it correct? Some say that this method is NOT correct and that the First Fruits of the Harvest must come in. Once the harvest comes in, a wave loaf can be made, but, not before then.
So the question becomes - when did the count start this year? That is why it is not knowable exactly when Pentecost occurs.
A reader, Michele, wrote and reminded me that there is a lot of information about the Rapture being on the Feast of Trumpets.
Here is one link that talks about the rapture being on the Feast of Trumpets-
I just finished re-reading this entire page and I was surprised to find that the discussion of the Feast of Trumpets being a day for the rapture is not included. This is strange since I have believed this since around 1984 (I advanced some of the other theories above because I thought they were exceptions to what was generally believed, i.e., the Feast of Trumpets). Watch the Youtube link and you will get the general idea.
we read that-
The spring feasts are a picture of the Messiah who would come, who did come, Who IS Come, as the suffering servant, The Lamb of God, prophesied by Abraham, who pays the atoning sin sacrifice, for the sins of mankind. The gospels clearly show Yeshua’s fulfillment of the spring feasts. The fall feasts, the 10 Days of Awe in particular, are about His return as the Lion of Judah, the King of Kings, who will tread out the winepress of the fierceness of the wrath of God Almighty. The 10 Days of Awe are about Tshuva, REPENTANCE, and begin with the Feast of Trumpets, ... end with the Day of Atonement,
The above is the view I have seen most often. The essence of the theory is that the Fall Feasts have had no fulfillment and are related to the 2nd coming. The spring feasts have had a fulfillment at the 1st coming of the Lord.
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