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07-01-2004
Reader writes-

I heard a preacher on the radio teaching a sermon on Elihu in the book of Job.  It startled me when he started talking about Elihu. He accused Elihu of  being a Pope because he thought he was the final word for Job.  He accused him of pointing a finger at Job and  had no right.  He also quoted Elihu saying the Lord speaketh once, yea Twice, yet man  perceiveth it not. He accused Elihu of thinking himself as having all  knowledge.  He said that it was just his opinion in what he said and was not inspired.   He said Elihu was young and thought he knew it all.  He said Job didn't answer him because he had been there before. He said  Job didn't have to answer him. He said Elihu didn't have anything fresh  to offer him.  Then he said Elihu got mad and insults Job. He says he is skipping over alot of verses but you aren't missing anything.  But he says when he gets to chapters 36 and 37 he starts to make sense.

I was shocked at the things he said about Elihu. There was no spiritual  message at all in his sermon.

The reason I am asking you what you think of Elihu in the book of Job is  because I believe you may know the reason he spoke to Job.  I guess I am wanting someone to verify what I feel the Lord revealed to  me concerning Elihu.

Years ago, when I was reading Job, I came to the scriptures of Elihu and  felt that he was a messenger instead of God to show Job God's righteousness.  Everything he said to Job was not like Job's other 3 friends. He stated  that the Lord speaks once, yea twice, yet man doesn't perceive it. I  believe he was telling Job this because God was using him to tell him his words.  

Then when I got to the end of the book , I saw that God did not speak  against Elihu. In fact, he didn't even mention his name.
For years I never heard anyone preach on this topic and  wanted someone  to verify that I was interpreting it correctly.
I trust that you can help me on this.

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Answer

I am rereading a great deal of Job to give you a complete answer, but, I know for a certainty that ALL the speakers are teaching us during these "discourses", Job, the 3 friends (even when it is a negative lesson-what not to do), and Elihu.  When I read the book, ALL of it teaches me and I never looked at it any other way.  ALL the speakers speak some truth.  The question remains - what is their ATTITUDE and what is the SOURCE and ORIGIN of their spiritual position? Is it self made or from the Lord?  Also, what is OUR attitude about teachability?

Eliphaz seems hard, cruel.  Bildad is full of "proverbs" and though he gives traditional truths he is a dogmatist.  Zophar knows everything about the Lord and why he does everything (the height of presumption).  These men quote traditional proverbs but, where is their EXPERIENCE with the Lord? And what of their ATTITUDE?  Are they religious to the point of irreverence and pride?

Immediately, the attitude of the preacher who made these remarks about Elihu being a "pope", etc, comes across as a lack of teachability.  His attitude tells us more about him than it does Elihu.  The preacher seems to be guilty of that which he accuses Elihu, that is, IF he makes no consideration for spiritual truth that Elihu DID speak.  Plus, the preacher seems to be angry just like Elihu (32:2-3).  Elihu's anger against the 3 was justified, but, his anger against Job was premature.

When it comes to understanding the book of Job not 1 in a 1000 really understand it (Job 33:23-Elihu said this) .  Job describes the purpose and source of suffering as being from the Lord to teach His children (the " evil the Lord had brought upon him "- 42:11).  Religious people (self righteous) have NO idea what this is about.  Part of the discourse of the 3 friends presents the view that it must be Job who is responsible (because it can not be the Almighty, in their view).  This is a perfectly "natural" viewpoint (even though it is wrong) and this view is reflected in even saved people.

I went back to the beginning of Job and started rereading it before I make a comment specifically about Elihu.  it seems to me Elihu has a greater understanding of the Lord than the 3 friends because (as you said) the Lord does not rebuke Elihu when he rebukes the 3 friends (Job 42:7).  Elihu spoke much truth, including 33:14, however, some of his last words were " He will not afflict " (37:23) and we know this is false because he does "afflict."  The objective of this is found in Job 42:6.  The thing this did with Job is to cause him to have " prayed for his friends ." (42:10).

Bringing us to nothing causes us to pray for others and our experience with the Almighty is important in this and all areas.  Many people's experiences are not Biblical, therefore these experiences are false, especially if their attitude is revealed to be proud and self sufficient in any area (including knowledge).  Are they humbled or do they appear condescending?   Elihu's God does not deal with men according to a petty "religious" formula, but, the 3 friends are full of morality and limit the Almighty and so the 3 are quick to judge Job, whereas, Elihu is not so judgmental.

One who is judgmental has no real understanding of the Almighty.

Whether through Elihu, 3 friends, or the casual unintended and "unrelated" remark of a total stranger, the Lord can speak to us (if we are listening). It is up to us to LISTEN and hear the voice of the LORD.  Limiting the Lord is not a good idea.  I, personally, listen to the words of Elihu because there is much understanding of the Lord in them.  In no way am I angry with him.  The Lord spoke to you AND to me through Elihu.  " He that is perfect in knowledge is with thee " is the title of one of my pages. If the Almighty singled you out for a message from Elihu, I would hear him because the spirit tells you it is Him talking.

I hope this helps you.

Russell
   See also this for more information on "Job" experiences .

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07-11-2004

The same reader replies-

Let me tell you a few things I was revealed about Elihu.
His name in Hebrew means ( He is my God) or (God of him)
He said " The spirit of God hath made me and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.
He said " Behold, I am according to thy wish (his soul) in God's stead: I am also formed out of clay."
" Behold, my terror shall not make thee afraid, neither shall my hand be heavy upon thee."
For GOD SPEAKETH ONCE, YEA TWICE, YET MAN PERCEIVETH IT NOT.
In a dream, in a vision of the night, when deep sleep falleth upon men, in slumberings upon the bed;
Then he openeth the ears of men, and sealeth their instruction,
That he may withdraw man from his purpose and hide PRIDE from man.
Notice: IF THERE BE A MESSENGER WITH HIM, AN INTERPRETER, one among a thousand, to show unto to man his uprightness:
Then he is gracious unto him and saith, Deliver him from going down to the pit: I have found a RANSOM. ( An atonement)
His flesh shall be fresher than a child's: he shall return to the days of his youth.( This is like the new birth.)
He shall pray unto God, and he will be favourable unto him: and he SHALL SEE HIS FACE with joy: for HE (GOD) will render unto man HIS righteousness.
He looketh upon men, and if any say, I HAVE SINNED, and perverted that which was right, and it profited me not;
He will deliver his soul from going into the pit, and his life shall see the LIGHT..
Elihu wanted Job to hearken to THE VOICE OF HIS WORDS.
Elihu said that Job hath spoken without knowledge, and his words were without wisdom.
His desire for Job was that he may be tried unto to the end because of his answers for wicked men.
He also said "Hear attentively the noise of his (the Lord's) VOICE and the SOUND that goeth out of his mouth. 
He directeth it under the whole heaven, and his lightning unto the ends of the earth.
After it a voice roareth: He thundereth with the voice; great things doeth he, which we cannot comprehend.
Notice he said to listen to his voice and the sound that goeth out of his mouth. Then he said "After it a voice roareth. He knew the Lord was going to speak to Job.
Then notice the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said
Who is this that darkeneth council by words without knowledge?
The Lord also said "Who hath put wisdom in the inward part? Or who hath given understanding to the heart?
The Lord also said " Shall he that contendeth with the Almighty instruct him? he that reprovrth God let him answer it.
Then Job answered the Lord, and said," Behold I am vile; what shall I answer thee? I will lay my hand upon my mouth."
Job later said " I have HEARD OF THEE BY THE HEARING OF THE EAR, but now MY EYE SEETH THEE.
Wherefore I REPENT IN DUST AND ASHES."
I think the Lord spoke to Job ONCE through Elihu and the Lord spoke to Job TWICE or the second time from the mouth of the Lord in the whirlwind..
Psalms 62:11- God hath spoken once; twice have I heard this; that power belongeth unto God.
Elihu was almost like an invisable presence among them and was not mentioned in the beginning of Job, only the three friends. Also The Lord did not mention him at all. He didn't seem to be a friend of Job or the three friends. It's as if the Lord sent him there for his purpose.
Notice he spoke with authority. He tried to make Job see that he was according to Job's wish instead of God Look at what Job said." I know it is of a truth; but how should a man be just with God?" If he will contend with him, he cannot answer him one of a thousand." He also said " Oh that one would hear me! behold my desire is, that the Almighty would answer me, and that my adversary had written a book. When Elihu spoke they were amazed, they answered no more.
Elihu said the breath of the almighty had given him life. He said Suffer me a little, and I will show thee that I have yet to speak on God's behalf. I will fetch my knowledge from afar, and ascribe righteousness to my maker.
I believe he was filled with the spirit and God used him as a messenger to speak to Job. Notice Job or his three friends never said a word to Elihu and chapter 37 ends with him speaking and all at once chapter 38 The Lord answered Job out of a whirlwind.
Elihu has always been a mystery to me.
I see what you mean by the word afflict in 37:23. I looked in the Living Bible although I don't like to use other versions because they can add to or take away from some scriptures. It said- We cannot imagine the power of the Almighty, and yet he is so just and merciful that he does not DESTROY us. No wonder men everywhere fear him! For he is not impressed by the world's wisest men.
This would make sense, even though he afflicts us we will not be destroyed if we repent and turn to him. This Job did and was restored.
The Lord told satan  Behold, he is in thine hand; but save his life.
Even the apostle Paul was given a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of satan to buffet him lest he should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations he had. Three times he asked the Lord that it might depart from him. And the Lord said to him, My GRACE is sufficent for thee, for my strength is made perfect in weakness.
The Lord said that Job was a perfect and upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil. but there was pride in him.
Can you be an upright man, fear God and yet be self righteous? There are many who are morally good, go to church, and say they fear God. But they are lost because they have not submitted to the righteousness of God. There are even true christians that can get pride such as Paul but the Lord has to chasten us to get us on the right path.
For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

I appreciate you reading my e-mails and answering them so promptly.

                                                                    God Bless you

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Answer

Your view of Elihu proper is something that I have really not considered.  But, I believe you are onto something here.
 
Even though Elihu did use the word "afflict" ( He will not afflict ), perhaps, as you say, he meant it in the sense of destruction or, better still, perhaps, he meant from OUR perspective. He does say in 36:8 that they are " holden in chords of affliction "; consequently, he must have not been saying that there is no affliction. In 36:15 he does say " he delivereth the poor in his afflliction ."  In 36:21 he says " this (iniquity) thou hast chosen rather than affliction" also.  We know we must choose affliction to really know God. See Phillipians 3:10 .  Job "chooses" affliction upon hearing the words of Elihu AND the Almighty.  "Choosing affliction" means to accept the necessity of it in order to understand our true nature and the truth that affliction IS an act of the LORD.
 
Now, this verse you quote " I have HEARD OF THEE BY THE HEARING OF THE EAR, but now MY EYE SEETH THEE.  Wherefore... I REPENT IN DUST AND ASHES ."  is even deeper than I thought (LOL).  The reason I say this is that I was not thinking of the symbolism of Elihu proper . I do know that the Lord taught me, spoke to me, and brought me to Proverbs 1:23 and this was an overwhelming realization, just like Job.
 
As you intimate, Elihu came from " nowhere " and he went " nowhere ."  He must therefore represent (or even BE the Spirit of the Lord) because He spoke the Words of God TO Job DURING HIS AFFLICTION .   Awesome!!!  I know this is true for a fact. [It happened to me.]
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There is a scriptural parallel for not focusing on "Elihu" himself, as opposed to his message - " When he, the spirit if truth, is come; he will not speak of himself "  My focus has been on I have HEARD OF THEE BY THE HEARING OF THE EAR, but now MY EYE SEETH THEE. Wherefore ( I ABHOR MYSELF , AND) REPENT IN DUST AND ASHES
 
My experience with the Almighty told me the same things that I believe you are saying- the LORD speaks to His children DURING AFFLICTION .  In this case, Elihu personifies the beauty of this awesome truth .  I have said many times that the very Words of God saved my life.
 
And as you stated- " There are many who are morally good, go to church, and say they fear God. But they are lost because they have not submitted to the righteousness of God ."  Yes, they have substituted their own righteousness.
 
God bless you,
Russell

07-11-2004


07-14-2004

Reader asks-

Russell:

How old do you think the universe is?  Were the creation "days" 24 hours?  When God says his creation was "very good" do you believe that means there was no animal death, pain, etc., before the fall?  I know this has nothing to do with the "end times" but I wanted to get your thoughts

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Answer

1) How old is the universe? I have no idea and physicists say they do. However, I can not see how they can state unequivocally because the basic nature of things (physics and chemistry) has changed, after the fall.  I do believe that the earth was created at the same time as the heaven because it says so in Genesis 1:1.  (I could hazard a guess, but, it would be nothing more.)

2) Were the days 24 hour days? Since it says the evening and the morning were the first day, 2nd day, etc; Yes, I do.

3) I believe that the whole creation "fell" after the fall of Adam.  This would include the 2nd law of thermodynamics which has things "decaying"/death.  This would include ALL life .

4) I do want to point that in the Book of Genesis it talks about CREATED and MADE , making a distinction between ex nihilo (from nothing) creation - and alternatively MADE.   In the BEGINNING God created (out of nothing) the heaven and the earth, Genesis 1:1. 

However, during the RESTORATIVE WEEK ( seven 24-hour days ) he "made" many things to reappear (symbolic of rebirth).  During the RESTORATIVE week, he did create (ex nihilo) man and cattle, birds and fish.  However, apparently He had already created light in the original creative act and he made light to appear (or so it seems).  He also made the seeds, which were ALREADY in the ground (having been created previously), to grow after he dried the land during the RESTORATIVE week. These seeds were in the earth buried under the water, "the deep"  .  Apparently the earth had gone through a "judgment" (fall of Satan?) rendering the original perfect creation "null and void and darkness was upon the face of the deep."  So, the RESTORATIVE week is SYMBOLIC of the death, burial, and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ in that on the 3rd day dry land appeared, etc The seed (spirit) is IN the earth (body) ready to make fruit, etc .  The RESTORATION came OUT OF DEATH (Baptism of the deep), life from death.  When Adam and Eve sinned they were coated with the skins of animals (sacrifice FOR SALVATION).

No one knows the time (if any) between the "in the beginning" and the beginning of the restorative week.  Beautifully, it is said of man, Let US make man in OUR image - this is God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ and the Spirit creating man .  The " US " is mentioned FIRST when referring to man - how beautiful!!! In the beginning "GOD", Elohim (a uni-PLURAL noun) CREATED the heaven and the earth. Jesus Christ, the incarnate Word of God, SPOKE all things into existence.

Russell

End 07-14-2004


07-15-2004

Reader writes-

Scientists have discovered that the world has existed for around 6000 years, thus, the world was created around 4000 BC. I think it was 4002 BC to be exact. There is a lot of proof supporting this. One I can remember is that Earth's magnetic field has been degrading over time. Scientists reversed the effects in a simulation or something like that and discovered that before the year 4000 BC, humans would not have been able to survive due to the strength of the magnetic field. Then again, before the flood, Earth had a canopy of water above it and it cave in causing a massive flood. This changed the way we now live (much shorter lives) and our environment is different so who knows...

Response

As for the time of the creation of the earth I have read no recent studies.  However, I do know that it had never rained until the flood of Noah.  As you call it ("a canopy") surrounded the earth (others have called it a "greenhouse.")  In other words, there was no such thing as "weather" as we know it now (pre-flood). This moist atmosphere insulated the inhabitants of the earth from the sun and life was prolonged.  See the drastic reduction in life span immediately after the flood of Noah.  Life span was so great during the pre-flood era that 4 men could have transmitted the entire story from Adam until Abraham (nearly 2000 years), because their successive lives overlapped on a time line.  These 4 men were Adam, Lamech, Shem, and Abraham.  Just to show you the providence of God - Methuselah, the oldest man ever recorded, lived 969 years and his name meant "he will die when it is come."  Methuselah died the very year of the flood.  If you are surrounded by unbelievers, remember this - Noah preached for 120 years and NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON believed him.

I was visiting a man in Georgia (whose entire house was done in a "western" motif).  He had photographs from western movies, six guns hanging from his bedposts (made from uncut tree trunks), and Indian headresses, spears, old rifles, and a 2 volume 1852 study by the United States Department of the Interior on the "Native American Indians."  Each volume was approximately 400-500 pages.  On about page 30 something of volume one it said the Native American Indians are descended from Shem.  How interesting.  Did you know that the Europeans are descended from Japheth?  What was Noah's prophecy? " Japheth shall dwell in the TENTS of Shem !!!!" (Genesis 9:27)

In 1969 I was driving home from work late one night and I heard a radio show "God's News Behind the News " out of St Petersburg FL.   I believe the speaker was Ray Brubaker and he was describing a computer simulation which was conducted to track the earth and the sun (and their relative postions).  The computer program apparently halted with a MISSING DAY - exactly 24 hours.  So, to find these missing 24 hours they ran the model and came up with a 23 hours and 20 minutes and accounted for all but exactly 40 minutes.

Do the following verses explain this?

2 Kings 20:10 let the shadow return backward ten degrees .
A day = 24 hours.  Ten degrees of a day would be (10/360) times 24 hours.  
Which is (1/36) times 24 hours = 24/36 hours = 2/3 hours = exactly 40 minutes.


Joshua 10:13 So the sun stood still and hastened not to go down about a whole day .

Since we accounted for 40 minutes, this leaves us with 23 hours and 20 minutes, about a whole day .  If the Almighty God can turn the shadow of the sun BACKWARD ten degrees and can make the sun stand still for 23 hours and 20 minutes, who would say there is anything He can not do?  In fact, the ENTIRE controversy between Copernicus and "the church" resulted simply from a misunderstanding of the church regarding what the Bible said. (True Science can never contradict the Bible.)  The Bible said " in the sight of Israel " the sun was to stand still (Joshua 10:12).  This does not mean the sun stopped moving in its orbit about the earth (which "the church" claimed it said).  As Israel viewed it, the sun was still.  It could have been due to the earth changing its rotation.  The Lord put those words " in the sight of Israel " in the Bible for a reason.  This was no magic trick either because the sun DID NOT GO DOWN, allowing Israel to defeat its enemies (they did not have night vision goggles).

Additional Conclusion - Do NOT MESS with the WORD of the LIVING GOD!!!!  You can bet your LIFE that it happened EXACTLY as He wrote it down in His Letter to us - the Holy Bible.  Every WORD of GOD is pure!!!!

End 07-15-2004


07-31-2004

Question-

I was listening to a radio broadcast and the host of the show asked a Christian guest [1] if someone came along and made "peace" in the Middle East would it be fair to say many Christians would look at that person as the anti-Christ .  The guest answered by saying "that would probably be the case but nobody knows for sure unless you study the Bible in great detail."  The host then asked the guest if he thought " the end " was near.  The guest said, [2] " No.  The Bible states before "the end" Israel must totally disarm, own claim to a region in Jordan (cannot recall the specific region named), and all Israelites must settle in Israel ."  The guest did not quote scripture or really reference any text because the show was not really about the end times.  Where, if at all, does the Bible refer to the scenario mentioned by the guest?

Answer-

[1]
First of all, “someone ” is not going to make “peace.”  “Peace” will be made involving many people.  This has nothing to do with the Bible, just common sense.  It will take a minimum of 2 parties to make “peace.”  Now as to Bible prophecy and making “peace” – it says nowhere in the Bible that the antichrist is going to “make peace”.  There is only ONE place in the Bible that connects the antichrist to “peace.”  The Bible says “by peace he shall destroy many .” (Daniel 8:25).  This does not say the antichrist “makes” peace.  This says the antichrist USES peace to destroy.  In no way can it be inferred that the antichrist “made peace” from this context.  Consequently, it is not those that “make peace” that are prophetically identifiable.  It is those who enforce peace that are prophetically identifiable.

As I outline here http://jesus-is-the-way.com/Dan9_27.html
The role of the antichrist is to “ confirm the covenant .”  However, there is nothing in the Bible that says per se that this “covenant” is for “peace.” Saying that the “covenant” is a “peace covenant” is done only through an inference. The page above emphasizes that the “covenant” (whatever it means) will ALREADY exist at the time the antichrist begins to “ confirm ” (enforce) it.  I also explain on the page why “ confirm ” means to enforce. I do believe the enforcement of the covenant is related to "security."  So, the antichrist himself may or may not "make" peace.

Further, as to the timing of the end, the Bible does say “ when they shall say peace and safety; the sudden destruction cometh upon them… ”(1 Thess 5:3)  Therefore, the destruction of the tribulation comes when it is said that there is peace and safety.  It could therefore be concluded that a “peace” agreement will have been made BEFORE the tribulation begins.  You can not confirm something for seven years unless it comes to pass at the instant of the first nano-second of the tribulation or it preexisted the seven year tribulation.  The Bible does not say that the antichrist himself will sign or participate in the formulation of such an agreement.

[2]
There is no place in the Bible that says that Israel will “ totally disarm .”  In fact, in the book of Zech 14:12 it talks about eyes consuming away in their sockets.  This is the very effect produced by the neutron bomb, which Israel has had since the Carter administration. The neutron bomb kills people within a short radius without destroying structures.  Ezekiel 38-39 does  say that the Israelis will be a land of “ unwalled villages ”, “ dwell safely ”, “ are at res t”, “ dwelling without walls ” (Eze 38:11) at the time of the Magog invasion.  This implies that “peace” is in effect.  Israel is, ironically, building "the wall". Will they tear it down? Sounds like it.

Look at the sequence of events here- http://jesus-is-the-way.com/PostWar.html

The outline shows in order the remaining events-

1. US invasion of Iraq
2. New government in Iraq
3. “Peace” process
4. Rapture
5. Magog invasion (some say it could be during the tribulation; none say before the rapture except the mid and post tribbers whose postion is not scriptural. If the Magog invasion is during the tribulation, this would mean the 1st half of the trib has no war.  I doubt this. )
6. The tribulation (of course, when this begins, there are 7 years until Jesus returns to the earth .)
7. The physical return of Jesus Christ to earth.

 So, to answer the question - are we near “the end”? – we ask “the end of what?”  I am assuming by this is meant the rapture.

Looking at the outline above, we have left 2, 3, and 4.  [I include 2 because it is not "finished."]

How far is [2 and 3] from the end? I would not be one who says “ my Lord delayeth his return .”  No one knows how long these things could take.  This includes the gentleman you heard on the radio.  Who is he to say it is NOT near? Those who say it is NOT near are in violation of the long held doctrine of imminence. 

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The gentleman says [Israel must] own claim to a region in Jordan 

Well, without a verse, it would be difficult to address this topic.  This could be true. However, I’d like to see the chapter and verse because I know of no such assertion in the context of BEFORE the tribulation. 

However, there are many verses concerning Ammon, Moab, and Edom [all part of Jordan] and the judgments of them.  One that comes to mind is-

But they shall fly upon the shoulders of the Philistines toward the west; they shall spoil them of the east together: they shall lay their hand upon Edom and Moab; and the children of Ammon shall obey them.     -- Isaiah 11:14 (Ammon, Moab, and Edom are in Jordan)

However, when you read the next few verses it appears that the context leads to the millennial reign of Christ which would imply that this occurs after the second coming.  There are other verses such as Eze 25:13-14 which show a “fury” and “vengeance” on Edom.  These too do not lend one to believe it is in the context of peace, i.e., BEFORE the tribulation.

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The gentleman says "all Israelites must settle in Israel ." 

It is clear from scripture that only a “remnant” of Israel is saved.
Does the gentleman believe that all Jews worldwide will return to Israel?  Does the gentleman believe that scriptures on Israel refer to “natural” Israel (descendents of Isaac and Jacob)?

The Bible says not all those who claim to be Israel are true Israel in any case (see Rom 9:6).

The Bible does say that “all Israel shall be saved.”  This refers to national Israel in the millennium because we know that only a “remnant” are saved and enter into the millennium.

End 07-31-2004


08-24-2004

Reader writes-

I am confused and wonder if you could help me understand the difference between the ten kings in Revelation and the ten kings in Daniel.

Dan. 7:23- Thus he said, the fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon the earth, which shall be diverse from all
kingdoms,  and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break in pieces.

24- And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall arise after them; and he shall be diverse
from the first, and he shall subdue THREE KINGS.                                                                                                                                                                     
25- And he shall speak great words against the most high, and shall wear out the saints of the most high, and think to change times and laws: and they  shall be given unto his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
                 
26- But the judgement shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, toconsume and to destroy it unto the end.
27- And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.
                   
 
Now look at Revelation----

Rev. 17:9- And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
10- And there are seven kings; FIVE are FALLEN, and one is, and the other is not yet come;And when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

11- And the beast that WAS, and IS NOT, even he is the EIGHTH, and is of  the SEVEN, and goeth into perdition.

12- And the ten horns which thou sawest are TEN KINGS,which have NO KINGDOM as YET, but receive power AS KINGS
ONE HOUR with the beast.

13-These have ONE MIND, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

14- These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: For He is Lord of lords, and King of kings:
and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

15-And he saith unto me, The WATERS which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

16- And the TEN HORNS which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked,
and shall burn her with fire.

17- For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil HIS WILL, and to agree, and to give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of
God shall be fulfilled.

18- And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the KINGS of the EARTH.

In Daniel there are ten kings and then the eleventh being the little horn, before whom he subdues three kings. The little horn was one of the seven kings, but it makes him the eighth king when the three kings are subdued. This makes eight kings and not ten kings.
But in Revelation there are ten kings that have power one hour with the beast.

Could these be different kings than the ten kings in Daniel, since they were not really kings until the beast gave them power as kings for one hour.

Also it says in Revelation that there are SEVEN kings, FIVE are fallen, one is , and the other is not yet come, making it TWO kings when the other comes.

Also the second beast has TWO HORNS like a lamb and he speaks like a dragon.
Could the two horns here mean two Kings?

He exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

I am really confused and I don't understand but maybe we are not meant to understand since we are not going to be here.
The Lord said we are to look for the Lord Jesus and not the antichrist.

But I can't help but be fascinated about end time prophecy.


Answer-

Dan. 7:23- Thus he said, the fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon the earth, which shall be diverse from all
kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break in pieces.              
The Roman Empire                                                                                                    
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24- And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall arise after them; and he shall be diverse
from the first, and he shall subdue THREE KINGS.                                                                                 
The 10 kings that will form the endtime confederacy.
He that arises after the 10 is the antichrist, who will take his position by subduing three of the ten.     
   
                         

              
 
Now look at Revelation----

Rev. 17:9- And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
The beast (a political power) has TWO aspects - seven heads and ten horns.

The ten horns are identical to the 10 kings of Daniel.
The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sitteth (in order to control the beast as her servant and in order to be supported by the beast).

Regardless of what the seven represents, it is safe to say that it is a DIFFERENT aspect of the same beast which also has 10 “horns.”  Consequently the 7 and the 10 are NOT going to correlate mathematically.

The seven mountains could well identify that the woman is Rome because Rome is a city  on seven hills. In this sense the seven mountains are NOT the same as the seven kings (in verse 10).  It seems to me that the phrase “ and there are seven kings…” implies this position by making a distinction between mountains and kings.  So, the seven kings appear to be additional information about the beast rather than an explanation of the seven mountains.  However, the woman is a religious institution (a harlot) who controls the beast upon its rising.  In either case, the Roman nature of the beast is expressed by virtue of the woman riding the beast (not necessarily its geographic embodiment).  This woman is she who martyrs the saints. By the way, the geographic embodiment of the beast is the “leopard” (which is the body of the beast), the Grecian portion of the vision of Daniel.   See this for information on the leopard.


10- And there are seven kings; FIVE are FALLEN, and one is, and the other is not yet come; And when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

So, the seven kings could represent 7 kingdoms, apparently successive.  These would be seven kingdoms with a direct relationship to Israel:
1. Egypt, 2. Assyria, 3. Babylon, 4. Medo-Persia, 5. Greece, 6. Rome, and 7. the last kingdom (the 10-kinged kingdom).  If the seven kingdoms are correct, then, the five that had fallen in 90AD (the time John wrote the Revelation) would have been: 1. Egypt, 2. Assyria, 3. Babylon, 4. Medo-Persia, 5. Greece.  The king that “IS” would have been the then current ruler over Rome, the 6th.  The 7th which “is not yet come” (since it is a single king) must represent the antichrist BEFORE he is incarnated by Satan at the mid-point of the tribulation (rather than all 10-kings who reign BEFORE the antichrist does).  Thus, the 7th king is the antichrist at the beginning of the tribulation.


11- And the beast that WAS, and IS NOT, even he is the EIGHTH, and is of the SEVEN, and goeth into perdition.

There are many interpretations for this – some say that this “beast” is BOTH the kingdom of the antichrist and the antichrist proper (at the time the antichrist is incarnated by Satan at the mid-point of the tribulation) and the 10 kings “give” their kingdom to the antichrist.  “Perdition” would be the eventual destruction for the kingdom and the eventual judgment for the antichrist.  So, then, what is that which WAS (used to be), and IS NOT (90 AD), that will be the EIGHTH king?   Interestingly, we read that the beast that goes into perdition first ASCENDS out of the bottomless pit (the abyss)-

The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. -- Revelation 17:8

How did the antichrist get into the bottomless pit?  Remember, we are discussing the 8th king who upon ascension out of the bottomless pit is in the temple showing himself to be god.  Guess how many times the word “perdition” appears in the Bible?  EIGHT times.  The expression “son of perdition” appears twice.

1st occurrence of son of perdition:
While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition [Judas]; that the scripture might be fulfilled.    
--John 17:12

2nd occurrence of son of perdition:
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin [antichrist] be revealed, the son of perdition;     -- 2 Thessalonians 2:3

And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit .    
-- Revelation 9:1

And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.     -- Revelation 9:2

And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.     -- Revelation 9:11

Is it possible that Abaddon (Apollyon), the angel of the bottomless pit, WAS in the body of Judas Iscariot (before he went to perdition),   ascends and enters into the body of the antichrist?  This would mean he that WAS (when he was in Judas) and now IS NOT, shall ascend out of the bottomless pit.  Perhaps there is another explanation. 

One point I am trying to make here is that a kingdom (that WAS) does not ascend out of the bottomless pit.  In any case, the 8th  king is the antichrist to “continue forty and two months ” whether he is incarnated by Satan or by Apollyon or neither (and is just influenced by one).


12- And the ten horns which thou sawest are TEN KINGS,which have NO KINGDOM as YET, but receive power AS KINGS ONE HOUR with the beast.

13-These have ONE MIND, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

The ten kings have no kingdom as yet because they are YET future and the nature of their confederated power is in association with the antichrist.

14- These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: For He is Lord of lords, and King of kings:
and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

Upon the physical return of Jesus Christ (they that are with him too) the Lamb defeats the 10-kinged confederation and the antichrist.

15-And he saith unto me, The WATERS which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

The scope of the power of the whore is worldwide.  She controls a sphere including many people (genetics and cultures), nations (political realms), and languages (not just a local phenomenon).

16- And the TEN HORNS which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked,
and shall burn her with fire.

The ten kings apparently discover the truth of the “fornication” of the whore and turn against her.  Will it be the Muslim nations discovering the truth about the Clash of Civilizations ?

17- For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil HIS WILL, and to agree, and to give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of
God shall be fulfilled.

The Lord causes the unification of the ten kings (to agree) and the surrender of their autonomy to the antichrist.

18- And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the KINGS of the EARTH.

That woman is Rome.  Many say it is the United States.  The prophecy does not fit the US.

In Daniel there are ten kings and then the eleventh being the little horn, before whom he subdues three kings.

When this is complete, there apparently are STILL ten kings, 3 of whom yield in a way to make way for the antichrist.  They could not have received power as kings one hour with the beast if they no longer existed.

The little horn was one of the seven kings,  but it makes him the eighth king  when the three kings are
subdued . This makes eight kings and not ten kings . ( The 8th king exists simultaneously with the 10 kings, the 8th is the “resurrected” 7th king [of the successive kings] the same person in a different state, and these, 7/8 [of the successive kings], are mutually exclusive from the ten who are simultaneous. )

But in Revelation there are ten kings that have power one hour with the beast. Could these be different kings than the ten kings in Daniel, since they were not really kings until the beast gave them power as kings for one hour.

The “ten toes” of Daniel are the ten horns of Revelation. However, the seven heads of Revelation may not be identical to the seven kings of Revelation.  Revelation makes it clear that the seven kings are sequential in that five are fallen, one is, and one is not yet come. Revelation does not say the seven horns ARE the seven kings.  We have already explained the seven kings (and the 8th who is OF the seven kings). 

Another possibility-
If the seven heads (Rev) are DIFFERENT from the seven kings (Rev), this could be true in that the seven heads represent the seven kings (of the ten) who are NOT subdued.  The three who ARE subdued still exist but have given up their kingdom making way for the antichrist.  However, the analysis of the 8th king would still apply to the successive kings.  The seven heads would be simultaneous horns of whom the antichrist is also the 8th of this 2nd group.


 
Also the second beast has TWO HORNS like a lamb and he speaks like a dragon.
Could the two horns here mean two Kings?

The two horns here are like those of a ram (sacrificial lamb) imitating the Lamb of God, that is, this personage is religious in nature.

He exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

The second beast (like a lamb) promotes the worship of the antichrist, the first beast.
This personage has the worldwide religious power to enforce worship of the antichrist whose “wound was healed.”  This personage could come from Rome in that they have worldwide influence.
  See how the false prophet could be connected to Babylon .



End 08-24-2004


08-30-2004

QUESTION:

How do you refute a Jehovah's Witness who says the following scriptures teach that Jesus Christ is a created being?

And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead ; that in all things he might have the preeminence. -- Colossians 1:18

and And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God ; -- Revelation 3:14


ANSWER:

I can assure you that there is no point in arguing with a Jehovah's Witness.  No one is more "right" than a Jehovah's Witness.  My grandmother was one and said that " they shall be in torment day and night forever and ever " does NOT mean torment.  My point here is that those who are God's children exhibit the quality of humility, that is, they are teachable.  Jehovah's Witnesses are anything but teachable.   To read about "teachability" read this, especially if you are a Jehovah's Witness .
 
My philosophy on a Jehovah's Witnesses is this, either accept Christ or not; the way the Bible presents Him or not at all.  No one can accept Jesus on their own terms.  They must accept Jesus on HIS terms.  No one can accept a fake Jesus.  The only Jesus Christ one can accept is the real one as presented in ALL Bible verses.
 
The Bible must be taken (ALL verses) to present a consistent picture of the truth.
 
So, if our understanding of one verse contradicts another verse, our understanding is wrong.
 
The following verses in Colossians demonstrate the absolute preeminence of the LORD JESUS CHRIST, God in the flesh.

Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:     -- Colossians 1:12

Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:     -- Colossians 1:13

 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: -- Colossians 1:14

 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature : -- Colossians 1:15

 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: -- Colossians 1:16

And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. -- Colossians 1:17

 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. -- Colossians 1:18

 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; -- Colossians 1:19

 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.     -- Colossians 1:20


My question to the Jehovah's Witness is this - Was Jesus Christ DEAD before he was BORN?   We are to take the phrase ( firstborn from the dead ) as meaning that Jesus Christ was CREATED from the DEAD?   Creation means ex nihilo, from nothing.  The dead exist and therefore can not be created.

There is ONLY ONE understanding of the phrase FIRSTBORN FROM THE DEAD and it is this - Jesus Christ was the FIRST to experience RESURRECTION resulting from HIS own death and burial on the cross.  The rest of us experience the NEW BIRTH only because HE ROSE FROM THE DEAD first - i.e., He was the FIRSTBORN.  It has nothing to with Christ's being "created."
But, in all His power and His majesty it DOES show that He came for the very purpose of death on the cross and resurrection according to HIS OWN PLAN which plan HE created BEFORE He created all things.

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And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God ;
-- Revelation 3:14

This in NO WAY says Christ was created as an OBJECT.  This is a statement clearly indicating that Christ was the CAUSE of creation.  Christ WAS the beginning, the ultimate cause, the creative force, the creative intiator, the VERY ESSENCE of which is SPEAKING all things into existence.  The WORD of GOD spoke all things into existence and Jesus of Nazareth IS THE VERY WORD OF GOD as the rest of the following verses attest.  The Jehovah's Witnesses use the New World Translation which alters the meaning of John chapter 1 because it refutes their viewpoint.  The New World Translation is taken from the same text as the NIV, by the way.

John 1:1-3   In the beginning was the Word , and the Word was with Go d , and the Word was God .  The same was in the beginning with God.  All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

John 1:10-14   He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not .  He came unto his own, and his own received him not.  But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:  Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.  And the Word was made flesh , and dwelt among us , (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.


Revelation 19:13   And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God .


1 Timothy 2:5   For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
 

Isaiah 9:6   For unto us a child is born , unto us a son is given: and the  government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful,  Counsellor, The mighty God , The everlasting Father , The Prince of Peace.


Genesis 1:26   And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:  and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
 

1 Timothy 3:16   And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh , justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.


If there is only one God and He was manifest in the flesh, who can He be but the LORD JESUS CHRIST?

End 08-30-2004


09-15-2004

Reader Writes-

Reading some info on your site, noticed a reference to the Gog/Magog war as being during or right at the beginning of the Trib.
 
Doesn't Rev 20 shed light on Ezek 38, so that one understands that it is after the 1000 year reign of Christ?
 
See Revelation 20:
 
7  And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8  And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9  And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. 10  And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.


ANSWER:

Excellent question-

From the website-

Dwight Pentecost's point in Things To Come (with which I agree) is that it does little good for the Lord to be known to many nations [Ezekiel 38:23] at the end of the tribulation.  Where would be the opportunity to be saved?  It seems that being known in the eyes of many nations is for the purpose of turning the lost to the Lord.  Further, since the Lord at the end of the millennium has already filled the earth with knowledge of Himself for 1000 years, He would not destroy Gog for increasing knowledge of Himself after having done so for 1,000 years.  Additionally, since the earth is burned by fire at the end of the millennium,

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 
  -- 2 Peter 3:10

why would there be a need to purge the land (Eze 39:11-13) of the bodies (if the Gog invasion was at the end of the millennium)? Consequently, the Gog invasion is at the mid-point of the tribulation or more probably even earlier. 
 
The setting in Revelation 20 seems completely different than Eze 38-39.  Here's why.

The setting in Revelation 20 includes the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth , [including] Gog and Magog ,... the number of whom is as the sand of the sea ... [they] compassed the camp of the saints .  In Revelation 20 fire comes down and devours them [not so in Ezekiel 38:22 where it an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire and brimstone ]  If fire did devour them in Ezekiel where would be the need to burn their weapons as in Ezekiel 39:9 (since the weapons would already have been burned)?]. Revelation 20 says nations from everywhere (not so in Ezekiel), as the sand of the sea (not so in Ezekiel), compassed the camp of the saints (not so in Ezekiel; in Ezekiel it is the Israelites only being attacked).  Therefore, the inclusion of Gog/Magog in Revelation 20 (among other nations not mentioned in Ezekiel 38-39), does not necessarily identify the two events as the same event.  Ezekiel 39:2 says a sixth part of the Gog/Magog forces are left, thus leaving a part for the post millennial "torching" of Revelation 20.

End 09-15-2004


10-03-2004

Reader Writes-

Could the Gog and Magog war be the battle of Armageddon?

The reason I think it could be is because of these scriptures:
Ezekiel 38:20- So the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping
things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, SHALL SHAKE AT MY PRESENCE, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.

Ezekiel 38:7- So I will make MY HOLY NAME KNOWN in the midst Of MY PEOPLE ISRAEL; and I will not let them pollute my HOLY NAME ANYMORE: and the heathen shall know that I AM the LORD, the HOLY ONE of ISRAEL.

Ezekiel 39:22- So the house of Israel SHALL KNOW that I AM the LORD their GOD FROM THAT DAY FORWARD.

Ezekiel 39:29- Neither will I HIDE MY FACE ANYMORE FROM THEM: For I have POURED OUT MY SPIRIT UPON THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL.

Compare with---

Zechariah 12:8-10 In that day shall the Lord defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the Lord before them.  And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.  And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications; and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

Compare with---

Zephaniah 3:8-9 Therefore wait ye upon me, saith the Lord, until the day that I rise up to prey: for my determination is to gather the nations, that I may assemble the kingdoms, to pour mine indignation, even all my fierce anger: for all the earth shall be devoured with the fire of my jealousy.  For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may call upon the name of the Lord to serve him with one consent.

If the Gog and Magog war happens before the battle of Armageddon then that would mean that Israel would know that Jesus is Lord before he comes at Armageddon.  I thought that the remnant of Israel would not believe on Jesus until he comes back and set his feet on the Mount of Olives.( Zechariah 14)

ANSWER:
Excellent question.  Before I deal directly with the reasons that you gave for Gog/Magog being at the battle of Armageddon, I want to present another problem with this idea that would still have to be reconciled (even if you take your viewpoint as true).

Of course, everyone agrees that Armageddon is at the end of the tribulation.  The timing of Gog/Magog on the other hand is thusly-
Eze 38:11 And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,... that dwell in the MIDST OF THE LAND (Eze 38:12).

We know also that in the second half of the tribulation the Jews will be under persecution from the antichrist and that the Jews will be given " two wings of a great eagle " to escape the antichrist " that she may fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, times, and half a time, from the face of a serpent ." (Rev 12:14)  This is clearly in the second half of the tribulation time = 1 year, times = 2 years, half a time = one half a year, for a total of three and one half years; the last half of the tribulation.  That the serpent is most active in the person of the antichrist in the second half is clear from the book of Revelation.  These conditions require that Israel NOT be dwelling in the MIDST OF THE LAND (but in the wilderness ).  Since Jerusalem is " tread under foot forty and two months " by the Gentiles in Rev 11:2, and since the antichrist will be persecuting the Jews during this same period, the Jews will not be dwelling safely , without walls , as required by Eze 38:11-12.  This alone seems to preclude the Gog/Magog from being in the 2nd half of the tribulation, which would also include the battle of Armageddon.  If the Jews have been air-lifted out of Israel, they are not in the midst of the land dwelling safely awaiting the Gog/Magog invasion.

The battle of Armageddon (according to Joel 2:3) includes ALL NATIONS.  This is not true for the Gog/Magog invasion, in which specific nations are identified as participating and in which specific nations (which do NOT participate) are shown asking WHY the nations which DO participate are doing so.  Joel 2:3 says " I will gather ALL NATIONS, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat... "  On the other hand, Eze 38:13 shows some nations questionning the Gog/Magog invaders.  These nations are not part of the invading force.

Assuming that the view presented here is correct, there must be a logical answer to your question using the scriptures you cited.

You quoted-
Zechariah 12:8-10 In that day shall the Lord defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the Lord before them.  And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.  And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications; and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

And you quoted-
Ezekiel 38:7- So I will make MY HOLY NAME KNOWN in the midst Of MY PEOPLE ISRAEL; and I will not let them pollute my HOLY NAME ANYMORE: and the heathen shall know that I AM the LORD, the HOLY ONE of ISRAEL.

Ezekiel 39:22- So the house of Israel SHALL KNOW that I AM the LORD their GOD FROM THAT DAY FORWARD.

The quote you gave of Zechariah 12:8-10 is clearly a reference to Armageddon and the ensuing 1000 year reign of Christ.  The 2 quotes you provided from Ezekiel are, of course, descriptive of the time of the Gog/Magog invasion.

Your quote- I thought that the remnant of Israel would not believe on Jesus until he comes back and set his feet on the Mount of Olives.   There is no recognition of Jesus Christ per se in Ezekiel 39:22 (during Gog/Magog).  There is recognition, however, that the God of Israel who acted on their behalf in the Old Testament is once again acting as the protector of Israel.  However, in Zechariah 12:8-10 there is a CLEAR link between Jehovah God of the Old Testament and the crucified Savior Jesus Christ.  This is one of the most beautiful pictures of Christ in the entire Bible.  It seems that these verses say that God the Father was pierced on the cross ( they shall look upon ME whom they have pierced ) and that the Son of God Jesus Christ shall be mourned over ( they shall mourn for him [Jesus Christ], as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him [Jesus Christ], as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.) So, it is at the point of His physical return that Jesus Christ becomes equated (in the mind of saved Israel) to the Lord God of the Old Testament who also fulfilled the Ezekiel 38-39 prophesy just a few years earlier.  Presently, Israel is a secular nation.  They will return to the Lord God of the Old Testament at the Gog/Magog invasion.  They will REALIZE that Jesus Christ IS this same Lord upon His physical appearance at Armageddon, which involves ALL NATIONS. 

End 10-3-2004


11-08-2004

QUESTION:

"Jesus is the way" is just plain bullshit!  Who are you to tell people your way is the right way.  Get your head out of the Bible and start thinking  like a rational human.  Last time I looked it was the 21st century.

 a proud New Jersey Atheist

ANSWER:

Thank you for the email.
You would be right, if I was telling people "my way".

I am not telling people my opinion, which is useless, by the way.  My ways are NOTHING but "filthy rags."   http://jesus-is-the-way.com/Broken.html

I am telling people what Jesus said-
"I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man cometh unto the Father but by me. "  - Jesus Christ John 14:6

Jesus also said " The word that I have spoken, the same shall judge [you].." John 12:48
The very thing that people reject, the Bible, will be their judge.

The Word of God is the instrument by which all creation came into being. This same Word was made flesh and dwelt among us as a man. His name was Jesus of Nazareth.  The reason He came to this earth was to suffer a brutal torture and to DIE in your place (so you would not have to be separated from His blessings.)

How can we ignore such love?  God Almighty left heaven's glory and became a servant and shed His blood for YOU!

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.    The same was in the beginning with God.    All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.     -- John 1:1-3

He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.    He came unto his own, and his own received him not.    But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:    Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.    And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. -- John 1:10-14

 The Bible says that the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God.  I appreciate your advice.  However, since the Bible is going to be our judge, it behooves us to read it and believe it because " it pleased God by the FOOLISHNESS of preaching to SAVE them that believe ."  (1 Cor 1:21)

I am going with the "foolishness" of God rather than the "foolishness" of men because the " foolishness of God is wiser than men." (1 Cor 1:25)  

As to the 21st century, I must say - " Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my WORDS shall not pass away ." - the Almighty

Please do not say to the Lord that you are rejecting His love,
Russell

http://jesus-is-the-way.com/Memory1.html

End 11-08-2004


12-09-2004 (original)  12-12-2004 (modified)

QUESTION:

Are you a Calvinist?

ANSWER:

First of all, labels are not helpful in describing what a person is or believes.  Just like- are you a Baptist? Catholic? Methodist? Presbyterian? etc.  Even if a person would say YES to any of these labels, would it mean he knows or believes the doctrines of these groups? Would it mean he is saved or lost?  Doctrine is so weak and watered down in all respects with all groups that it is difficult to know what other people believe. They do not know what they believe themselves.  

Simply put - I believe in the Bible as the infallible, eternal Word of the Living God.  I believe in the gospel of Jesus Christ as presented in the Bible.  The following depicts Salvation that is presented in the Bible .  That is what I believe.  I may not understand all of it, but I believe it all.  But, wait, I do not have to understand it all! Since being born again, I have had " He that is perfect in knowedge " (Job 36:4) in my heart. So, I am lacking in nothing because He saved me, He kept me, and He is the AUTHOR and FINISHER of our faith. Since it is none of my doing, I can delight in my ETERNAL SECURITY in the finished work of the Lord Jesus Christ. Why do I rejoice? Since Jesus said - John 6:39 And this is the Father's WILL which hath sent me, that of all which He hath given me I should lose NOTHING, but should raise it up again at the last day - then there can be no doubt that ALL of God's elect will absolutely NEVER be lost.  

Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved, but, we must call upon Him in truth (Psa 145:18).  You can not make up your own Jesus and call upon the one you made up.  You can not lie to the Lord about who you are and then call upon Him.  You have to call upon Him in truth, about Him and about you.  Nothing else will work.  What we think of ourselves is worthless.  We need to find out what He thinks of us and using that TRUTH, then, call upon Him.  Read this for a glimpse at the truth .

I am not making light of the question, but I never met John Calvin.  However, I have been reading a lot lately and there is NO DOUBT in MY MIND that the question (not yours), but the one in the public forum is a TRICK QUESTION, a straw man, designed to faciliate a backgound for conflict. Such conflict will be used in the future to martyr the tribulation saints.  This conflict has as its ultimate objective the destruction of the Protestant fundamentalists.  Why is this a goal of some? The absolute certainty of salvation through the gospel places man under the sole authority of the Holy Spirit, not some organization.

If you go on the internet and search for "extreme Calvinism", you will find that this topic has been widely discussed and a virtual war with the so-called "extremists" (the Calvinists) is on-going.  It is one thing to have a reasoned doctrinal discussion on the subject.  It another thing to enter into the realm of character assassination and angry emotional appeals.  (The reader can tell the difference between the two approaches).  It is the latter that I am addressing.

At present the "war" is one of the intellect, but during the tribulation martyrdom will be at stake.  The arguments in many venues are designed to create loathing of the "Calvinists"  and at the same time arguments are given to solicit members to the "Calvinist" side of the ledger.  Both tactics are designed to yield a larger and more encompassing future societal pogrom. (See the Book of Revelation.) The question to the reader is, if the martyrdom of the Book of Revelation is real, how will it come about?

 Let me say here and now that the use of the term "Calvinist" (by the adversaries of the so-called Calvinists, those same people who SEEK to create a " war on fundamentalists ") is virtually interchangeable with "Islamic terrorist."   [If you do not believe this, go to the  aforementioned page and search for Calvinism.]  It is not the "Calvinists" who are the problem. It is those who want to create discord.  The purpose of "terrorism" is to create a "war on terror."   The purpose of "Calvinists" is to create a "war on Calvinists." The origins and the extent to which "terrorism" exists is widely debated in the public forum.  The same can be said of the publicly depicted "loathsome Calvinist."   [The reader can differentiate between legitimate discussion and emotional appeals.] So, the real targets of the powers-that-be are neither terrorism nor Calvinists, but war.   Why is that?  Conflict is the means to change society to their liking.  [Note: the President of the United States is not one of the powers-that-be .  He is as much of a victim as a cab driver in Fallujah.]

Who is the target of such anti-"Calvinist" emotional appeals?  The answer is the lukewarm "christian", the religious man who goes to church, but has never been born again.  He has met every requirement of his "religion" (pick any one you want) and he has NEVER called upon the Lord in truth .  He will be on earth during the tribulation. Judging from the Book of Revelation and current developments he is going to be an angry man too.  He will take out his anger in the interest of avoiding "extremism", nay eliminating "extremism", in the interest of a commonly acceptable ethical, moral, and religiously "peaceful" standard - which you may feel free to translate as anything other than the Lord Jesus Christ - in order to rid the world of BAD people, aka "extremists."

Precedents for such is already underway.  BAD people can now be convicted in high profile court cases on circumstantial evidence BECAUSE they are BAD, period.  Being guilty of a crime is not the issue in these cases. Watch for this trend to accelerate when the definition of BAD extends to ALL religious "extremists."  If we look around us, we see a lot of angry people chomping at the bit to "punish the wicked."   It extends into every area of life.  The so-called "Calvinists" are no exception.  

So, the question will not ultimately be "What is a Calvinist?" (a legitimate question), but, which one of these guys (in this lineup) is the "Calvinist?" - a sad state indeed.  

End 12-09-2004 (12-12-2004)


12-13-2004

QUESTION:
What exactly is a Calvinist?  From what I understand and have read about them, their view is very much the same as ours.  Are they extremists?


ANSWER:
Calvinists are not extremists. This label is being used to create a "Straw Man" so that a conflict can be created among and against Protestants.  John Calvin was one of the prime movers in the Protestant reformation.  Much of the criticism of "Calvinists" to which  I am referring has nothing to do with doctrine, however.

The Calvinists believe in the "5 points" (TULIP)-

Total depravity
Unconditional election
Limited atonement
Irresistible grace
Preservation of the saints

12-14-2004
There is some discussion as to the exact nature of limited atonement, which means that the atoning death of Christ is effectively only available to the elect.  The question comes down to - would you rather believe in the sacrifice of Christ which is incapable of saving all men even though He wanted to or would you rather believe in the sacrifice of Christ which definitively saved every single one of the elect ?   In the final analysis, no one is saved who is not also elected because all the elect are saved and only the elect are saved.  I can not imagine Jesus dying on the cross and then His people having to go to hell also (creating a dual punishment).  Consequently, every single person for whom Christ died WILL WITHOUT QUESTION BE SAVED!!   Preach this gospel to everyone that will hear it!!   Nay, preach this gospel to EVERYONE!!!  God is absolutely sovereign and every man is responsible to God because every man is a sinner.  All sin must be judged.  The sins of the saved are judged on the cross of Jesus.  The sins of the lost are judged in eternal separation from God.  Only the Spirit of God through the word of God can show a man that he is truly lost and in need of a Savior.

 John 6:39 And this is the Father's WILL which hath sent me, that of all which He hath given me I should lose NOTHING, but should raise it up again at the last day - then there can be no doubt that ALL of God's elect will absolutely NEVER be lost

End 12-14-2004


How we get there is the issue. Due to total depravity, we are incapable of even having faith.  Therefore, faith must be given.  Eph 2:8-9 says that faith is a gift of God.  The real question boils down to - did Christ die for the sin of unbelief?  Think about this one.  For many, including me, one realizes the gift of God while looking backwards at the experience of salvatio n .

In reality, very few protestant denominations adhere to 5-point Calvinism.   Presumably, the primary reason there are not many "Calvinist" denominations is that people do NOT really believe in Total Depravity.  They SAY they do, but, they do not comprehend the depths of it .  Reconciling these issues may well relate to the STAGE of the process in which the believer finds himself, based upon the revelation he has received.  

One denomination that is Calvinist is the PCA, Presbyterian Church in (or of)  America, for example. However, the PCA does not believe in the Rapture and they have some prophecy issues.  Since few denominations even believe Calvinism, practically speaking it is an artificial label.  There are very few formal Calvinists.

Translation - we must be the "dirty rotten Calvinists."  ;>)  because we believe the gospel of Jesus Christ.

End 12-13-2004


12-24-2004

Reader Writes:

Dear Russell,
I want to ask you if the antichrist has a confederacy with Edom. These scriptures seem to indicate this.

Obadiah verse 7--  All the men of thy confederacy have brought thee even to the border (of Israel) : the men that were at peace with thee have deceived thee, and prevailed against thee; they that eat thy bread have laid a wound under thee: there is no understanding in him.
8- Shall I not in that day, saith the Lord, even destroy the wise men out of Edom, and understanding out of the mount of Esau?
9- And thy mighty men O Teman, shall be dismayed, to the end that every one of the mount of Esau may be cut off by slaughter.

Teman is a town or a tribe in the northern part of Edom about 3 miles east of Petra according to the Zondervan Pictorial encyclopedia of the Bible.

Daniel 11:23-- And after the league made with him (confederacy) he shall work deceitfully; for he shall come up and shall become strong with a small people (Edom) Obadiah verse 2--- Behold, I have made thee small among the heathen; thou art greatly despised.
Daniel 11:26-- Yea, they that feed of the portion of his meat shall destroy him and his army shall overflow: and many shall fall down slain.

The antichrist seems to acknowledge a strange god--
Daniel 11:12-- Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.

I believe this strange god is allah.
It says that Edom and Moab and the chief of the children of Ammon escape out of his hand. I may be wrong but I think it is because the Lord Jesus is going to be the one to destroy these countries himself.
Obadiah 8-- Shall I not in that day, saith the Lord, even destroy the wise men out of Edom, and understanding out of the mount of Esau?
Read Zeph. Chapter 2
Amos chapter 1 and 2
Joel Chapter 3
Isaiah 63

I agree with you that the antichrist will be an Assyrian.
God Bless You,

ANSWER:

Read this link to see verses that are specifically and clearly pertinent to Edom and the antichrist.   It is clear that the judgment of Edom is presented in Obadiah.  It also clear that Obadiah 1:15 shows that part of the judgment of Edom will occur at the Day of the Lord.

However, it is difficult to extend this case to Daniel 11:23 and Daniel 11:26.  First of all, taking Daniel 11:26 by itself, it is difficult to make the antichrist out of this verse alone.  That is the case because the person in Daniel 11:26 is destroyed by those that eat at his table.  Since the antichrist is "destroyed" by the return of the Lord Jesus Christ (i.e., placed in the lake of fire, Rev 19:20) he can not be "destroyed" by men at his table.  Therefore, Daniel 11:26 does not refer to the antichrist at all.  This would mean that Daniel 11:23 would not refer to the antichrist either.  

Daniel chapter 11 is certainly all prophecy.  However, much of Daniel chapter 11 has already been fulfilled since the time of its writing by Daniel (in the persons Antiochus, Ptolemy Philometer, and Antiochus Epiphanes.)  Particularly, verses 21 to 31, inclusive, refer to Antiochus Epiphanes and (quoting Clarence Larkin from page 241 of the Book of Daniel ) was literally and completely fulfilled by him as foretold, so there is absolutely nothing in these verses left for the future [Dan 11:21-31]. Further confusion on this topic abounds (among those who say ALL of Daniel 11 has already been fulfilled, because some of it was fulfilled , and therefore parts of Daniel 9, especially 9:27, have already been fulfilled as well.)  It must be noted that Antiochus Ephinanes sacrificed a swine on the alter in Jerusalem. This is the abomination that maketh desolate of Daniel 11:31.   However, Daniel 11:31 is NOT the Abomination of Desolation spoken of by Christ in Mathew 24:15 because Christ's described event is yet future and is the fulfillment of Daniel 9:27 overspreading of abominations .

Apparently, Daniel 11:32-33 refers to the period between Antiochus Epiphanes and Messiah the Prince, (164 BC - 30 AD) because in them we see both the valiance of the Maccabeean Revolt (166 BC - 47 BC) and those Jews who forsook the covenant of their fathers.

Apparently, Daniel 11:33-35 refers to the period from Messiah the Prince until the time of the end.  This period (33-35) coincides with that described in Luke 21:24  These same verses cover the time period, the gap, between Daniel's 69th and 70th weeks.

This would make Daniel 11:36 - Daniel 12:13, the time of the willful king , coincide with Daniel's 70th week, the tribulation of the Book of Revelation and the resumption of Daniel's prophecy for the Jews.

Given this scenario, I would look at your hypothesis with a fresh start.  I do appreciate the question because it helped me solidify a few things.

End 12-24-2004


12-31-2004

READER WRITES

The covenant of the law given to Moses-  Deut. 4:13-23.
The covenant of the promise given to Abraham - Gen. 17:1-6.
 
The covenant of the promise in the new Testament- Gal. 3:14. "That the blessings of Abraham might come on the Gentiles
through Jesus christ ; that we might receive the promise of the spirit through faith".
 
3:17- And this I say, that the COVENANT, that was CONFIRMED before of God IN CHRIST, the law, which was 430 years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect".
 
The covenant of the law was given to Moses 430 years after the covenant of the promise was given to Abraham. This covenant was confirmed in Christ when he died upon the cross. His blood took the place of the blood of bulls and goats. His sacrifice, being accepted of God, caused the sacrifices of animals to cease.
 
"And he [ Jesus ] shall confirm the covenant [ covenant of promise ] with many for one week [ seven years ] : and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, [ being accepted by God ] and for the over-spreading of abominations [ by the chief priest and elders ] he shall make it desolate [ Matt. 23:38, Behold, your house is left unto you desolate ] even unto the consummation [ the end ], and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate".  Desolate [ strong's # 8076 =  desolate ] , and that deteremined shall be poured upon Jeusalem.      Daniel 9 :27.
 
Please comment,
In the Lord,


ANSWER

Thank you for the excellent question.  First of all, since Daniel 9:27 is an answer to a prayer, it is a good thing to look at the prayer Daniel prayed.  A total of seventy (70) "WEEKS" are determined for " thy people", Daniel's people, the Jews, not the saints of all ages. (There is no mention or knowledge of the church in Daniel or his prophecies)

Though I do believe in the “commonwealth of Israel ” of Ephesians 2:12, I do also believe there are specific “dealings” the Lord has with the covenant of promise to Israel and to  an entirely separate entity, the church .  There are saints of all ages whose salvation is that of the promise in Jesus Christ.  However, all saints are not members of the church.  All of the elect of the present age (whether Jew or Gentile) are in the church (there is no saved Jew who is not also in the church), but there is yet a future dealing with the saints of the tribulation (both of the 144,000 Jews and of the great number of Gentiles of tribulation saints ).  Just as the church had its beginning when the spirit descended at Pentecost to indwell the believers in Acts, so too will it have an end (and that end is depicted in Revelation 4:1 and further described in Revelation 3:10 when the true church is shown as being kept from the HOUR of temptation, not the temptation per se).  At the time the church age ends, the Jews can be dealt with as Jews again.  And, so the 70th week can begin and, it will, upon the Rapture of the church.

The reason this distinction between the Jew and the church is important is that the events of the book of Revelation (Chapters 6 – 19) are specifically a continuation of Daniels prophecy.  Daniel was told to “ seal the book even unto the time of the end” and, of course, Jesus Christ opens the seals to continue Daniel’s prophecy.  ( thou art worthy to take the book and to open the seals ) Whatever interpretation is made of Daniel 9:27, it must be consistent with this scenario as well as all others.  The scriptures must fit together in all respects.

Continuing with this theme (that Daniel’s prophecy is finished in the book of Revelation) we note that Jesus Christ made reference to the future tribulation saying

Matthew 24:21   For thenshall be great tribulation , such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Pause here for a moment and reflect and you will be left with two choices.  The tribulation that Jesus is referring to must be greater than the holocaust of WWII because Jesus said “ no, nor ever shall be .”  Consequently, unless you believe that the destruction by the Romans in 70 AD was greater than the holocaust or WWII, this tribulation is yet future.  (We know that 50% of the earth’s population will be destroyed in two judgments alone in Revelation 6:8 and Revelation 9:15.  This certainly has never happened previously). What was Jesus doing when he said Mat 24:21?

Jesus said the above in answering a question, the question was-
In Mathew 24:3  " ...what shall be the sign of thy coming and of the end of the world ? "

Consequently, Jesus could not have been referring to some previous event. No one would ask Jesus the sign of His first coming (after He was already here on earth).

the complete text is here-
Matthew 24:15   When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation , spoken of by Daniel the prophet , stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

Matthew 24:16-20   Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:   Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:  Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.   And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!  But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

Matthew 24:21   For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

So, it is clear that Jesus said that at the end of the age (at His Second Coming) a catastrophe greater than WWII in which 10,000,000 Russians alone died (and 2.4 million Jews died in Poland alone) would occur.  Of this, there can be no doubt.  Since Jesus was already on earth, the “ thy coming ” must have referred to a FUTURE coming and not the one in which He suffered and died.

Why is this important?  Because Jesus Himself tells us HOW his future second coming and the end of the age relates to Daniel’s prophecy.  Jesus tells us WHEN the great tribulation begins-

Matthew 24:15   When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation , spoken of by Daniel the prophet , stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

I refer you to: http://jesus-is-the-way.com/Endtimes927.html
You can read all the other time length correspondences between Revelation and Daniel on this page. Both the prophecies of Daniel’s 70th week and the Book of Revelation are yet future and they are the same time period, witness the sealing of Daniel and the unsealing of Jesus in Revelation, chapter 5.  Hopefully, you are not saying that Revelation took place in the past.  The time length correspondences of Revelation and Daniel’s 70th week are too great to say they are not the same time period. 

Given the interpretation that Daniel’s 70th week happened already; this would require the book of Revelation to have already happened as well.  This would make the Jesuits right after all!   (They have been saying it already happened for centuries to avoid being called “antichrist” by the reformists of the 16th century and their heirs.  Of course, lately the Jesuits have changed tactics somewhat and taken to attacking the dispensationalists and Calvinists as upholding the OLD Jesuit doctrine - hilarious ).

  If this Jesuit view is true (Daniel’s 70th week already happened), all that would matter (because Jesus would already be here in the person of the “church”, i.e., adherents to Rome) and all that would be left is to make the world Christian by having everyone join the watered down church.  The Papacy would love this position (along with every other liberal in the world, including the socialists, communists, the National Council of Churches, the World Council of Churches, the United Nations, Vatican II, Pat Robertson, the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) at which Pat spoke and gave his recommendation for a coming world order (see Pat’s book by that name, New World Order), The Trilateralist Commission,  the amillennialists, the post millennialists, and every other do-gooder in history.)  Can you imagine Paul giving a speech at Athens telling them how to better design the temple of the unknown God? (Acts 17:23).  Today’s God consists of making heaven on earth.

Of course, the subject matter of your email is Daniel 9:27 which describes the 70th week of Daniel.  My point?  The words of Jesus in Mathew 24:15 are referring to the same 70th week.  The abomination of desolation appears in the midst of the future 70th week of Daniel according to Daniel 9:27.

It says in Revelation 19:10 that the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy .  His testimony is in Mathew 24. 

There are 3 abominations in Daniel
Daniel 9:27 overspreading of abominations shall he make it desolate  
Daniel 11:31 shall place the abomination that maketh desolate
Daniel 12:11 the abomination that maketh desolate set up

The question is – Why did Jesus use the phrase the “ abomination of desolation ”?  It is the abomination that maketh desolate (see Daniel 12:11), not Jesus’ work on the cross that makes desolation .

 The abomination is PER SE the thing that makes the desolation .  So, the interpretation you presented makes the work of Jesus Himself on the cross an abomination.    It is NOT on account of the abomination that we NEED a desolation in Daniel 9:27, but, it is the abomination itself which causes desolation .  Daniel 12:11 makes this clear.

Parenthetically speaking, see the 12-24-2004 question on this page  for a discussion of the applicability of Daniel 11:31.

Continuing further with the 430 years to which you referred, the scripture specifically renders the time frame (its start point and length) and the resultant counting methodology of the 69 weeks and they do not include the giving of the law or Abraham, but the commandment to rebuild the temple and the coming of Messiah the prince to be cutoff.  Daniel 9:25 refers to an event which starts much later (445 BC and the commandment to rebuild Jerusalem) than the giving of the law of Moses, approximately 1490 BC, or Abraham, even earlier.   Therefore, there is no justification for concluding that either of  these 2 has anything to do with Daniel’s prophecy.

Your interpretation would mean that Daniel’s 70th week had its middle at Jesus’ death.  This is an impossibility given the statements of Jesus in Mat 24:15 (and the analysis above showing the abomination as a future event ).  Additionally, your interpretation, would render Jesus’ death an abomination.  
 
Furthermore, this would mean that the Lord’s future dealing with the Jew during the tribulation, which lasts EXACTLY 2520 days (or the length of the 70th week) would make a total of 71 weeks, the 70th having already happened.  The Lord’s dealing with Israel (the Jew) ended when they rejected the Messiah at the 69th week’s end, which, by the way, occured BEFORE His crucifixion (more on this later).  It will resume only when Israel is back in Jerusalem and the church age ended. There can be no church age Jew.  A saved church-age Jew is in the church.  The count is in effect only when the Jews are in Jerusalem.  They will be there during the book of Revelation.

A total of seventy (70) "WEEKS" are determined for " thy people", Daniel's people, the Jews, not the saints of all ages. (There is no mention or knowledge of the church in Daniel or his prophecies).  Sixty nine (69) of these "WEEKS" have already happened.  Because these sixty nine (69) "WEEKS" that have ALREADY happened lasted a total of 483 years, we know how long the 70th "WEEK" will be.  The length of the 70th week corresponds precisely to the book of Revelation which is clearly stated by the Lord Himself as a future event.

The reason we know that the 70th "week" lasts 7 years is that the 7 "weeks" and 62 "weeks" (a total of 69 "weeks"), which have already happened, lasted exactly 483 years = 69 weeks  X  7 years/week.  The Messiah made His triumphant entry into the City of Jerusalem (Mathew 21:8) exactly 483 years after the commandment of Artaxerxes to rebuild the temple, March 14, 445 B.C. Subsequently, He was "cutoff", crucified, as recorded in Daniel 9:26.  Please note that He was crucified AFTER the 7 weeks and the 62 weeks.  That is, He was crucified AFTER the 69th week.   (Note- a year is 360 days.)

End 12-31-2004

Additional comments- 01-02-2005(a)
Even if you overlook the clear implication that the death of Christ would become an "abomination" (which you can not), Jesus  could not have been the one to cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease due to the fact that the sacrifices continued in Jerusalem for another 40 years (until the Romans destroyed Jerusalem in 70AD) after Jesus' resurrection.  There is nothing to allow anything but a literal stoppage of sacrifices either. However, even if you say that He effectively caused the sacrifices (of animals) to cease, how could He confirm the covenant for another 3.5 years (the second half of the week)?  Jesus was not here, but ascended to the Father already.  The requirement is that the covenant be confirmed with many for one "week" of seven years.  The only way to do this is to divide Daniel's 70th week into 2 halves and have the second half be the future events of the book of Revelation.  This is an impossibilty because the two witnesses preach for 1260 days (Rev 11:3), one half the tribulation. Then, (after being killed by the antichrist, Rev 11:7-8) their bodies lie in the streets for 3 and one half days, Rev 11:9-12..  This (by itself) would make the length of the events of the Revelation 1263.5 days (more than half of Daniel's 70th week), thus rendering the theory erroneous.   That there is NO time lapse between the Great Tribulation (the 2nd half of Daniel's 70th week) and the physical appearance of the Lord Jesus is made clear in Mathew 24:29-30 when Jesus says " Immediately after the tribulation of those days..."

There are other reasons that make the notion of a divided 70th week unsupportable.  The first of which is Daniel's prophecy itself.  The prohecy would not have been rendered as 7 weeks, followed by 62 weeks, followed by 1 week.   The last would have been TWO half weeks, versus one whole week.  There is no justification to split the week.  In addition to it being a mathematical impossibility, it is a chronological impossibility as well-

quoting from
Revelation 11:9-12   And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half , and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves. And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them , and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth. And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.  And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

So, we see here that the 2 witnesses for God rise from the dead AFTER LYING DEAD in the streets for 3 and one half days.  They were killed by the beast who ascended from the bottomless pit.  We know that the beast (the antichrist) ascends from the bottomless pit and enters the temple in the "midst of the week ".    Therefore the 2 witnesses are killed in the midst of the week after having preached for 1260 days during the first half of the week.  Their enemies (also the enemies of God) celebrate their death by giving gifts during the 3 and one half days that their bodies lie in the street.  If this happened during the second half of the week, the enemies of God would have already been destroyed at the second coming of Christ and they would not be around for the three and one half days their bodies lay in the street.  [There will be no celebrating by the enemies of Christ for three and one half days after Christ returns.] Furthermore, the witnesses could not preach for 1260 days (if they started in the middle of the week) because this would require the ascending of the antichrist out of the bottomless pit to happen at the end of the week, thus, giving the antichrist no time to accomplish anything before Christ returns.  Because of all these reasons - one is required to conclude that the two witnesses preach for the first half of the tribulation - 1260 days and that this first half of the tribulation is clearly dilineated in the Book of Revelation and is exactly equal to one half of Daniel's 70th "week."

There is another chronological reason that the death of Jesus on the cross is not a fulfillment of ANY portion of Daniel's 70 weeks for thy people , Israel. It is IMPOSSIBLE for the death of Jesus to occur at the end of the 69th week.  If one construes the 70th week as immediately following the 69th,  His death can not be at the beginning of the 70th week, nor can it be at the middle of the 70th week, nor can it be at the end of the 70th week  And so, it is recorded in the prophecies of Daniel.

Daniel 9:26   And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off...   Since the 7 weeks precedes the 62 weeks and since Messiah is crucified AFTER the 62 weeks, then, Jesus was crucified AFTER the 69 weeks.  What is the event that marks the end and beginning of the 69 weeks?

Daniel 9:25   Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be SEVEN WEEKS , and THREESCORE and TWO WEEKS

According to the meticulous mathematical calculations of Sir Robert Anderson and Clarence Larkin (in the secular works Daniel in the Critics Den and The Book of Daniel , respectively) the 69 weeks ended upon the triumphant entry of Jesus into the City of Jerusalem as recorded in Mathew 21:5-8 and in fulfillment of Zech 9:9.  Did you ever wonder why Jesus cautioned His disciples about public pronouncements that would make Him known? The reason for this is that Jesus had a PRECISE moment for this to be done.  In Zechariah 9:9 it is said " Thy KING cometh... ". Of course, Jesus will only be King at His Second Coming and it was to O daughter of Jerusalem (not to Jerusalem) that the title KING is given is Zech 9:9.  A PRINCE is a King in the making and THIS PRINCE and His arrival is the public fulfillment of Messiah the Prince as recorded in Dan 9:25, not Messiah the King.  Jesus encouraged His disciples to find the foal and colt Mathew 21:7.  So, He encouraged the public moment at which He was hailed as " blessed is He that cometh in the name of the Lord!!!!" (Mathew 21:9)  How awesome is the Lord and His Word!!

After the triumphant entry of Jesus into the city (known as Palm Sunday, traditionally) and after the Olivet Discourse Jesus said-
Mathew 26:2 And ye know that after two days is the feast of the Passover, and the Son of Man is betrayed to be crucified.
As recorded in Mathew 21:18 a day had passed since His triumphant entry and since it was 2 more days until His crucifixion, then, the cross happened several DAYS AFTER the 69th week ended.

The crucifixion is several days later and can not be the beginning or the middle or the end of any 70th week following on the heels of the 69th week!!  Half of a week is 1260 days.

Another reader has asked questions concerning Daniel's 70th week and these will be answered shortly.  In so doing, it will be shown that a divided 70th week of Daniel is also a THEOLOGICAL IMPOSSIBILITY (in addition to it being a mathematical impossibility and a chronological impossibility as just shown).

End 01-02-2005 (a)

01-02-2005 (b)

Dialogue, READER
Somethings I do not understand : The last week , does it not  comprehend seven years?.

Yes, the last week is for seven years.

Does it not follow immediately after the 69 weeks?

No, it does not follow immediately after the 69 weeks.

 . Daniel 9:27  will definitely fulfill in the last days .

Yes, it will be fulfilled in the last days.

Are the 69 weeks not for the last days too?.

No, the 69 weeks are NOT for the last days.  The first 69 weeks have already been fulfilled.  Sixty nine (69) of these "WEEKS" have already happened.  Because these sixty nine (69) "WEEKS" that have ALREADY happened lasted a total of 483 years, we know how long the 70th "WEEK" will be.

The reason we know that the 70th "week" lasts 7 years is that the 7 "weeks" and 62 "weeks" (a total of 69 "weeks"), which have already happened, lasted exactly 483 years = 69 weeks  X  7 years/week.  Messiah the Prince triumphantly entered Jerusalem on the precise and exact LAST DAY of the 69th week, exactly 483 years after the commandment of Artaxerxes to rebuild the temple, March 14, 445 B.C. 

 This whole prophecy (of Daniel) was made in 538 B.C. while the Jews were in Babylon at the end of their 70-year captivity.  The 1st 69 "weeks" were fulfilled exactly as predicted and the 70th "week" will also.

For the prophecy comprehend the 70 weeks as a period of time.

No, the prophecy comprehended a total of seventy weeks clearly divided into the following 3 parts-  7 + 62 + 1 = 70 total and all 3 in the exact order listed.  Consequently, when the 62 weeks are done, then, the 69 weeks are done also (because the 7 weeks precedes the 62 weeks).  Many make the mistake of reading the scripture of after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off as meaning that 7 weeks remain AFTER Messiah is cutoff.  This is false because the 7 weeks precede the 62 weeks.

The text says - Daniel 9:25   Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be SEVEN WEEKS , and THREESCORE and TWO WEEKS

This is clear that from the time of the
commandment to restore (Jerusalem)
and to build Jerusalem (7)
until “Messiah the Prince ” (62) is a “time” represented by two periods (7 + 62).

Thus, 7 “weeks” expired from the commandment to rebuild and the actual rebuilding. (see Nehemiah chapters 3-6)

62 more weeks expired until Messiah the Prince (His triumph entry into Jerusalem riding on the foal of an ass (fulfilling Zech 9:9) and recorded in Mathew  21:7-9)

There are other prophecies concerning Israel that are for 70 years etc, but, they were given as totals, not with the parts enumerated as in this prophecy of Daniel.  Consequently, though other prophecies were fulfilled in consecutive years, this particular prophecy is not necessarily fulfilled consecutively because the prophecy (unlike others) is CLEARLY given in THREE parts (7 + 62 + 1).   Whether or not they are fulfilled consecutively, the parts are separated and distinguishable.

Those that object to “gaps” per se are reminded of the reading of Isaiah by Jesus in Luke 4:17-20.  Jesus was reading from Isaiah 61:2 which reads to proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, and the day of vengeance of our God .  After Jesus read “ acceptable year of the Lord ”, He closed the book and stopped reading.  The “gap” in that verse has already covered 2000 years because the day of vengeance is yet to be fulfilled and Jesus was clearly indicating that “ the acceptable year of the Lord ” was fulfilled at His reading of the verse.

That there IS a gap between the 69th and 70th week is shown in –
Daniel 9:26   And after threescore and two weeks [that is, after the 69 weeks] shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary ; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined

What happens during the "gap?"  The death of Jesus on the cross and the desolation of Jerusalem.

Here we have Daniel describe the coming destruction of the temple in Jerusalem (the city and the sanctuary) by the Romans in 70AD. At this point, (after the terminus of the 69th week) there has been NO mention of the 70th week (because it has NOT commenced). However prophecy of the “gap” of 9:26 did get fulfilled.  “Desolations” for Jerusalem were indeed determined (until the restoration of the Jews to their land in the end times).  It is the “ people ” of the “ prince that shall come ” (later ) that destroy the city and the sanctuary (the “ people ” are the Romans and they came as prophesied in 70AD).  Later is  shown in the next verse (Daniel 9:27) which describes the 70th week of Daniel, the only verse in the Bible to do so.

Those that object to there being “gaps” in the seventy weeks of Daniel probably are not aware that there are FOUR “seventy week” intervals of 490 years each (all of whom have “gaps” which when properly understood are entirely exemplary of God’s dealings with Israel.)

First, from the Birth of Abraham to the Exodus is 505 years, minus the 15 year “gap” of the usurper Ishmael is 490 years.

Second, from the Exodus to the dedication of Solomon’s temple is 591 years.  However, if you subtract the “gap” of Israel’s servitude which totals 111 years, you have 490 years.
(see page 72 of Dispensational Truth by Clarence Larkin; examples- 40 years in the wilderness, the granting of Judges and Kings.)

Third, from the dedication of the temple to the edict of Artaxerxes 560 years (subtracting the 70 years “gap” of captivity) yields 490 years.

Fourth, is the 490 years being discussed as Daniel's 70 weeks.   

In EVERY CASE, time stands still in the reckoning of God when Israel is OUT of FAVOR.   They have been out of favor since they rejected “Messiah the Prince.”

If there are still questions, please let me know.

End 01-02-2005 (b)


01-01-2005

READER WRITES


In practice, the TULIP acrostic itself has caused pain and anguish because of that wretched "L"....
the problem is that "Limited Atonement" is a TERRIBLE "buzz phrase", and not a particularly good choice of words either.... the acrostic should really be TUPIP in my opinion, and "Limited Atonement" should be forever changed to "Particular Atonement",  which carries the correct semantics without the misinterpretation of the word "limited".

Think about the irony of it.... if Jesus died for "all men without exception", but then some weren't saved, then, for those people who weren't saved, His death was ineffectual!!  

Talk about "limited"! 

The irony is that the people who would claim "unlimited atonement" are the ones who really believe that man can limit the atonement of Jesus' work on the cross!   (here's something to make you laugh... do you know what the opposite of "Particular Atonement" is?   In all honesty... it's "Haphazard Atonement". It really is.)

Being a numbers guy, i needed an equation to describe this, so how about:

 Isaiah 55:11 + John 1:1-14  =  "Particular Atonement"

And of course, on the flip side, the "frozen chosen" mentality can kick in (e.g. among some historical Puritans, and also, sadly, among many churches even in our own denomination (PCA) ), where people were going around wondering who was and was not in the elect, which is absurd. Before the tree bears fruit, we have no idea who will be saved in the future....

so the notion of Particular Atonement should not affect our obedience to the savior's commands in, e.g. Matt 28)... we are to do exactly what you suggested:

> Preach this Gospel to everyone that will hear it!


RESPONSE

Isaiah 55:11 + John 1:1-14  =  "Particular Atonement"

So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it .     -- Isaiah 55:11

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.    The same was in the beginning with God.    All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.   In him was life; and the life was the light of men.    And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.    The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.    He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.    He came unto his own, and his own received him not.   
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:    Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh , nor of the will of man, but of God .    And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

-- John 1:1-14

Later, I amended my comment to read-
  Preach this gospel to everyone that will hear it!!   Nay, preach this gospel to EVERYONE!!!  God is absolutely sovereign and every man is responsible to God because every man is a sinner.  All sin must be judged.  The sins of the saved are judged on the cross of Jesus.  The sins of the lost are judged in eternal separation from God.  Only the Spirit of God through the word of God can show a man that he is truly lost and in need of a Savior.

We know that the work of the Lord is certainly not haphazard!!   Need evidence?  The READER is my oldest son, "Junior", aka Greg!  Thank you, Greg.

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01-19-2005

READER WRITES (letter was written to several people including me)

No where in my God’s word does it say we are to figure out when things will happen! In the three examples I will give all it says to do is watch and pray. It does not say to figure out if the catching away is pre trib., mid trib., post trib., pre wrath, or any other time. The three scriptures are Mathew 24 : 33-51, Mark 13 : 29-37, and Luke 21: 31-36. No where does he say we are to figure out when He’s coming back.
    All Papa’s word says is when we see these things He mentions look up our redemption draws near. If you don’t want to come unto him with the faith like a child then your following self not Him. It’s time to wake up people and just trust Him, not your understanding.

ANSWER

There is a vast difference between figuring out the date of the return of Jesus Christ and taking a stand for the plain teachings of the Word of God regarding post-tribulation rapture, mid-tribulation rapture, and pre-tribulation rapture, or pre-wrath rapture.

Furthermore, once the tribulation period starts, everyone WILL know the EXACT date of the physical return of Jesus Christ BECAUSE the Bible tells us this and some men have had the courage to believe what the Bible says and to DISCUSS it publicly so that others will also know also.

Paul wrote a letter once explaining how that Christ’s “ coming”, would follow the appearance of the antichrist who would be destroyed by the “ brightness of His coming .”  In this letter Paul warned against those who teach that Christ’s appearing was already “ at hand.”   This letter is known as 2 Thessalonians. 

How dare Paul waste time thinking about the timing of Christ’s appearing ?  To make matters worse, Paul had the unmitigated  audacity to discuss this publicly (even to the point of writing a letter to other believers so that no man deceive you by any means .)  Things got worse (apparently) when the King’s Committee in 1611 decided to keep this letter in the Bible.

Paul was not the only one who was out of God’s will   and actually discussed the DAYS until Jesus returns.  Who else stooped to such a thing?  Well, let’s see.  First, there was Daniel, who even mentioned that were actually 70 “weeks” of years.  He even prophesied to the very day when Jesus would ride into Jerusalem on the so-called “Palm-Sunday.”  He also discussed the STILL FUTURE 70th week, aka the Book of Revelation.  He was so far out of God’s will that he even discussed time, times, and an half – exactly one half the tribulation.  Imagine discussing the middle of the tribulation in 600 BC even !!  Daniel did even worse – he discussed 30 days after Christ returns .  See Daniel 12:7 and 12:11.  Talk about date setting!!

There is more – Daniel actually discussed the MIDDLE of the tribulation and he actually used those very words IN THE MIDST of THE WEEK.  Daniel 9:27.  Guess this is what started those misguided people to discuss mid-trib stuff .

It gets worse. In the Chapter (Mathew 24) that tells us nowhere to figure out when things will happen , Jesus Christ Himself up and AGREES with Daniel about Daniel 9:27 and that mid-trib business.  See Mathew 24:15.

Paul, Daniel and Jesus were not the only guilty parties.  There was another.  His name?  John.  He penned the Book of Revelation and he did it because Jesus Christ Himself TOLD him to do it.  (See Rev 1:1).

John’s revelation from Jesus Christ really takes the cake when it comes to figuring out when things will happen.  This book actually agrees with Daniel’s (and Jesus’) date setting SIX times.  See Rev 12:6, 11:2, 12:14, 13:5, 11:7, and 11:3-12.

Now what we have to do is be guided into the patient waiting for our gathering togethe r unto Him.  Meanwhile, I am not only going to discuss His Coming BEFORE He comes; but I am also going to continue discussing His Coming AFTER He comes for the purpose of manifesting to the people how totally awesome and accurate the Word of God is.   There will be people born during the 1000 year reign of Christ who will be saved by the preaching of the Word of God.

Post Script

You see, many people have some major problems with the doctrine of salvation.  They believe in salvation by works.  Many people also believe you can make heaven on earth by converting the entire world to “Christianity.”    (The Bible says it is not going to happen).  Many other people have no idea what it means to be a member of the “body of Christ ”, aka the church.  (They think saved Jews are to be treated as “Jews” even though Paul said there is neither Jew nor Greek in the body of Christ.)  Because of confusion on these three ideas, these same people construct second coming scenarios that allow them to maintain these false ideas.  One entire “church” has historically been based on all three errors (to one degree or another).  The truths of the Word of God are intertwined.  I am not going to cease discussing the tribulation, the first half, the mid-point or the second half or the aftermath for that matter.  Salvation is at stake for many.

This gives us other reasons to discuss the timing and nature of the Second Coming simply because the SALVATION of the tribulation saints (as well as church age saints) is at stake .   There may have already been readers of this website who will be among the tribulation saints.

The “word” rapture is not in the Bible.  However, the “rapture” is without question in the Bible.  The words “Russell-is-crazy-about-the-Word-of-God” are not in the Bible either.  However, there is going to be no doubt to any anyone who reads this website, that this is certainly the truth.  Remember the word unto thy servant, upon which thou hast caused me to hope. Psa 119:49

Speaking of which, read this about becoming a child and the proper role of " your understanding ."

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01-26-2005

READER WRITES

daniel 7:12 says that the 3 beasts will have their lives prolonged after the fourth beast is slain. The reference in chapter 7 cannot therefore refer to the historic kingdoms of Babylon, Greece and medo-persia. My reading is that this is a reference to the same set of events as revelation 13:2 but viewed from a different perspective. The lion with the eagles wing’s clipped could be a reference to Babylon (iraq) without the Americans, the four wings on the fowl a similarity to the Grecian end of Alexander, reconstituted in preparation for the little horn. The bear with 3 ribs may be a reference to Iran and the division of Iraq into sunni/Shiite/kurd territory as it does not look like they are all going to get on as it is (as I have just noticed you suggest on your most recent post on the page )

Good to see you have analyzed the scriptures as there are many taking this EU roman empire stuff too far and too seriously (Europa on the beast was not a prostitute). By the way, Psalm 83 lists ten ‘horns’ in an unfulfilled as yet prophecy -  these horns are all in the right place thereabouts.

ANSWER

The prolonging of the 3 beasts presumes their existence at the time of the destruction of the 4th beast, “the Roman derivative” I call it.  I believe (the 4th beast) implies Europe and perhaps the US as well.  

Since only the Lion (Babylon), the bear (Medo-Persia), and the leopard (Grecia) are mention in Daniel 7:12 and in Rev 13 and since the destruction of the 4th beast takes place after the Lord returns (Daniel 7:9), Dan 7:12 and Rev 13 refer  to the RISE of these 3 kingdoms during the tribulation (as part of the antichrist kingdom).  

I believe the bear with the 3 ribs refers to the historical conquest of the ancient Medo-Persia empire (3 ribs=Babylon, Egypt, Lydia) – the Triple alliance against the Medo-Persians.   
 
However ,both Dan 7 and Rev 13 clearly show to me that the areas of the 3 kingdoms of Babylon, Medo-Persia, and Alexander the Great are the kingdom of antichrist.

Reconsidering your hypothesis-
If you assume that Daniel 7 is entirely a future narrative, this would require that (as you said in your letter) there be a succession of expansions beginning in Iraq and growing to include the whole of Alexander the Great's Kingdo m. To this point I agree entirely. However, then, at the end it APPEARS that the leopard would have to be "conquered" by the 4th beast in Daniel 7:7.  If this is not a conquering of the leopard, but, say an "acquisition" or reorganization, you could have a valid hypothesis.  There is a reason to not allow this interpretation either and that is if the FUTURE leopard is "acquired" by the 4th beast, how can the 4th beast be destroyed and the leopard be prolonged since the 4th beast would include the leopard?  For the 4th beast to be destroyed and for the leopard to be prolonged, they must be distinct.  The definition of this distinction would determine whether this possible.

Regardless of which of the 2 ways we look at this, they will appear close to the same thing on the ground because the antichrist will arise in the same place, occupy the same territory and be in league with 10 kings eventually (in both scenarios).  The question would then come down to the nature of the 10 kings, which as we already know, is the most difficult to comprehend in any case.

I need to look at the kings in Psalms 83 to see what the possibilities are.  However, if they could be the 10 kings, I would say that the 7th chapter of Daniel is an historical chapter - ancient Babylon, Medo-Persia, Alexander the Great and Rome - with Daniel 7:7 as Rome conquering the Greeks, but all alluding to the future place of the antichrist.  This would leave Rome as the 4th beast being destroyed upon the return of the Lord, but "Assyria" going into the millennium as a nation.


End 01-26-2005


02-20-2005

Reader Asks

Just curious, what of the following definition of Dispensationalism do you believe?
Dispensationalism Defined

from the website - > http://answers.org/theology/dispensationalism.html

ANSWER

The following text in italics is from the website and my response is appended to each section in normal type.

Dispensationalism Defined

Dispensationalism is a system of prophetic theology.
Dispensationalism is really about the covenants of God:  Abrahamic Covenant, Davidic Covenant, New Covenant.  (Note: the Mosaic Covenant was really a temporary covenant on account of the disobedience of Israel) God WILL fulfill all the covenants Himself.  EVERYTHING depends on understanding the covenants.  Dispensationalism is a necessary viewpoint dictated by a proper understanding of the UNconditional Covenants of God.  The vast majority of the misunderstanding of prophecy is due to a lack of understanding of the covenants of God.

In short dispensationalists are those who believe in the pre-tribulational rapture of the church.
By necessity.  See above. Pre-tribulational rapture is an absolute necessity once one understands the nature of the church (and the promises to Israel).

Dispensationalists emphasis (sic) the teaching of prophecy and the imminent, at any moment, return of Christ.
When discussing prophecy (i.e. those pertaining to the 2nd coming), it is “dispensational” in nature, i.e., the truth may only be obtained from a proper understanding of the Covenants.  The imminent return of Christ is a clear doctrine taught in the new testament in any case (independent of “dispensationalism”).

Many ministries who hold dispensational beliefs also emphasize the "soon" return of Christ. The generation that has seen the restoration of the nation Israel to the land is the last generation before the return of Christ.
Now learn a parable of the fig tree [Israel] ; when his branch is yet tender and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh .”  -Mat 24:32

These added beliefs, however, are not a part of dispensational teaching. It can be argued that these added beliefs contradict dispensational theology, and many dispensational scholars reject these teachings as unsound.
Many people can not stand the notion that Jesus might come “soon” (as opposed to “imminently”).  It is amazing to me that someone can be in favor of an “imminent” return but opposed to a “soon” return.  This begs the question- when does your “imminent” return doctrine apply to YOU the individual?  I guess this means everything is fine (unless you actually believe that Jesus might come this year).  LOL.  Tells me more about where a person’s heart is than it does about any understanding of doctrine.

There are some ministries that have taken the dispensational prophetic system as a starting point and gone to extremes.
All systems have “extremes”.  Without pointing out clear examples, this is useless information.

One of the most recent examples was the Korean movement that taught that the rapture would occur on Oct. 28, 1992.
I guess the author must mean that there is no year in which the Lord can return without violating His own doctrine.
My understanding of the author’s viewpoint (as practiced by the Roman Catholic Church and people like Pat Robertson) -  Jesus can not come now because we (the so-called “church”) have not converted the earth to a Christian Kingdom.  This type of thinking “enables” Roman Catholicism to remain on the throne, encourages “crusades” against “unbelievers” (and “enables” attacks on true believers who are warning those who could be saved.).  Wait until the tribulation starts and peoples’ salvation is at stake.  At that time, the state will murder those that teach the soon coming of Jesus. What will be the author’s viewpoint then? – Do not teach that Jesus is coming soon because it is “incorrect” doctrine (good grief!!)?  Those here on earth (post rapture) will know the EXACT date if they read the Bible.  The subject will not be academic.  The subject will be whose head is cutoff with the guillotine and who accepts the mark.

Aside - Those that really do not understand salvation make up a great part of bad prophecy teachers.  Examples – Seventh Day Adventists.

The main points of dispensationalism are:

1.    The recognition of a distinction between Israel and the Church. (true)

2.    A consistently literal principle of interpretation -- particularly of Bible prophecy.  ( true, except where symbolism exists and is interpreted by the text )

3.    A basic working and conception of the purpose of God as His own glory rather than as the single purpose of salvation (true).

Some of the beliefs derived from these principles:

1.    The O.T. prophecies of the restoration of national Israel to the land in the last days will be literally fulfilled. ( true)

2.    The millennial kingdom mentioned in Revelation will be literally fulfilled at Christ's return after which Christ will reign on the earth for 1000 years. (Pre-millennialism) ( true)

3.    The 70 weeks of Daniel spoken of in Daniel 9 refers to a period of 490 years and apply only to Israel ( there will be a great number of Gentiles saved during the 70th week of Daniel and none of them are members of the church.  Also, the judgment of the Gentile nations is the result of the tribulation and 2nd coming ). The first 69 weeks have been fulfilled historically, ending at the first coming of Christ. When the Jews rejected the Messiah, the 70 weeks were suspended and a new age or dispensation called the Church age began. The Last or 70th week of Daniel, the last seven years, has yet to be fulfilled. This last week will immediately precede the second coming of Christ. ( all true because Dan 9th chapter says that 70 “weeks” are determined for thy people and the city of Jerusalem , except as noted )

4.    The book of Revelation after the letters to the seven churches is a prophecy concerning events that will occur during the last seven years before the second coming or 70th week. (Futurist) This 70th week is called the tribulation period. The last half of this week (the last 3.5 years) is the Great Tribulation spoken of in Dan. 9 and in the olivet discourse (Matt. 24). This tribulation period is a time when God will pour out his wrath on a sinful world. ( true )

5.    The coming (Parousia) of Christ will occur in two phases. The first phase will occur at the start of the seventh week. This will be Christ's imminent return for his saints to "rapture" his church as described in I Thess 4. ( and Rev 4 ) All of the Christians (in some cases only overcoming Christians overcoming is wrong, the church, the body of Christ can never be divided ) will be resurrected and taken to the heavenly mansions Christ has prepared for us. (John 14) The church will not be here during the tribulation period because God has ended the Church age and resumed dealing with Israel. The church is also raptured to keep the Christians from the wrath of God which according to Romans 5:9 ( and others such as Rev 3:10, see the 29 reasons for pre-trib rapture  http://jesus-is-the-way.com/Rapture.html ) Christians will not experience. The second phase is Christ's second coming at the end of the tribulation with his saints to begin the Kingdom age dispensation.

6.    The tribulation period will see a restoration of the fourth worldly kingdom spoken of in Daniel. The fourth kingdom was represented by the legs of Iron in the image of Nebechadnezzer's dream in Dan. 2. The latter phase of the kingdom is represented by the feet or iron and clay. This kingdom is also represented by the terrible beast of Dan. 7. This fourth kingdom was the Roman empire. The Roman empire will be restored (disagree and this is one of the main differences I have with Tim LaHaye, Hal Lindsey ( Late Great Planet Earth , etc.  This expectation of the "Roman Empire" will cause many to miss the events. See http://jesus-is-the-way.com/ACEURome.html in time for the tribulation and will consist of a confederation of 10 kings (see http://jesus-is-the-way.com/TenKings2.html ) or kingdoms headed by the little horn of Daniel also known as the son of perdition (II Thess. 2 - the falling away is the rapture (false, falling way is departure from the truths of the Bible), that which restrains is the Holy Spirit whose taking away implies the absence of the church from the earth). The son of perdition is called the Anti-Christ and spoken of in Rev. 13 where he makes all who dwell on the earth to receive the mark of the beast ( true and in this sense only do we have a world “empire” – buying and selling to enforce worship )

7.    Sacred history consists of different dispensations or 'economies'. A dispensation is a period of time during which man is tested in respect of obedience to some specific revelation of the will of God. Dispensational schemes will vary slightly from one author to the next. One of the most popular schemes is that found in the Scofield Reference Bible (one of the sources that helped popularize dispensationalism All of my brothers and I had one growing up .). It is:
8.              Creation to fall                    Innocency
9.              Fall to flood                       Conscience
10.            Flood to Abraham               Human Government
11.            Abraham to Moses              Promise
12.            Moses to Christ                   Law
13.            Church Age                         Grace
14.            Millennium                           Kingdom

A new period or dispensation begins when God introduces a change in the principles or ordinances valid up to that time. For example a number of ordinances are introduced at the time of Noah. At the coming of Christ many of the Mosiac Laws or ordinances are annulled. The purpose of God in each dispensation is his own glory.
This system of dispensational teaching including the concept of the pre-tribulational rapture was first developed among the Plymouth Brethren in the early 19th century in England and Ireland. John N. Darby in particular is credited with forming much of this theology.
( most SAY that is where the rapture originated, but Darby is not the originator.  See 2 Thessalonians which yields a pre-trib rapture as the only logical means of interpretation. The rapture originated with the Bible, not with men.  Saying that Darby originated the rapture is like saying Martin Luther originated faith as the means to salvation.  The “Darby” viewpoint is now a chief tool of the Jesuits to discredit the literal interpretation of the Bible.  While discreditting the "Darbyists", the Jesuits can discredit those that identify Babylon the Great as the Vatican.  Using the Jesuit logic, the “church” must be an invalid concept since it was not in the old testament and therefore is of “recent” understanding.  "Darbyists" are just as "bad" as Noah.  Noah preached 120 years that the flood is coming.Dispensational theology was popularized more widely in evangelical and fundamentalist circles in North America through a series of Bible Conferences beginning in the late 1870's. By the early 20th century about the time of the writing of _The Fundamentals_ (from which the term fundamentalist is derived) dispensationalism became the most popular prophetic theology in fundamentalist schools and Bible Institutes in America.

This is only a quick summary of some of the dispensational ideas to give you an idea of what I mean when I use the term. I am not a dispensationalist myself. I do have friends who believe this theology and who I respect.
 
These three points come from _Dispensationalism Today_ by Charles C. Ryrie, The Moody Bible Institue of Chicagp, 1965. Ryrie has a Ph.D. from the University of Edinburgh and a Th.M. and Th.D from Dallas Theological Seminary. He is a professor of systematic theology at Dallas.

Dallas Theological Seminary is known for being the premier dispensational school in the U.S., perhaps the world. Moody Bible Institute is also a markedly dispensational school. Many well known ministers and teachers (at least in the U.S.) are graduates of these schools. ( Dallas Theological Seminary was THE premier dispensationalist school.  Things To Come by D. Pentecost was a PhD dissertation at Dallas . )

Here is a comparison of dispensational versus historic or classical views as given by Bob and Gretchen Passantino:
             Differences Concerning Israel and the Church
                    (Classic or Dispensational)


Classic position is shown first. Dispensationalist position is shown second.  

Most of the “Classic” positions are that of the Roman Catholic Church.  The RCC has spent its entire history trying to replace the Jews and since the 16th century trying to refute Protestantism.  They will “succeed” for a short period during the tribulation.  The tribulation “winners” will be those martyred into glory.  The “losers’ will be the ones who go along with the “church” and the antichrist and accept the mark and live (only to be cast into the lake of fire later).

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 God has always had but one spiritual people, represented by the remnant in every generation. (this is confusing to say the least because it can mean anything. )

God has two bodies -- Israel and the church. ( both are in the “commonwealth of Israel” and both have Abraham as their father and therefore, though distinct, they are all the seed of Abraham, some spiritual only, some natural and spiritual, all through Christ, with each of the 2 bodies having different roles and positions )

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God's promises to Israel were conditional.( false)

God's promises to Israel were unconditional, and therefore are still binding. (true, see the Covenants above )

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All earthly promises to Israel have been either fulfilled or invalidated through disobedience and unbelief. ( false )

God's promises concerning the return to the land, rebuilding the temple, etc., were never fulfilled.  They are therefore still future. (true)

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Israel was a type of the church and was superseded by the church. (the spiritual path of Israel to a relationship with the Lord is identical to that of any believer and the OT is therefore for our “patience and learning that through the comfort of the scriptures we might have hope.”  Nothing can and will supercede Israel, even though the church is “grafted into the tree.” )

Although Israel was a type of the church, they will always remain separate.(we reign jointly during the 1000 years, but are separated later – the earth and heavenly Jerusalem.  King David becomes Israel’s prince on earth forever. The church is assuredly distinct from Israel.)

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The church was prophesied in the Old Testament, in Old Testament language.(spiritual teaching is available to the church, or the Jews, from the OT, but the “church” was a “mystery” until Paul revealed it in the NT.)

Christ instituted the church as a "parenthesis." ( true, between the 69th and 70th weeks of Daniel.)

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Christ was, and is, the only  Hope of Israel ( true, but a Jew saved today is saved into the church and is “neither Jew nor Greek”). And Israelites  (Jews) will be saved only if they accept him during this age. ( false. The remnant of Jews is saved during the tribulation . )

Christ came the first time to establish an earthly millennial kingdom with Israel. (since Christ Knew what would happen, how can this be said? Simply, the Jews rejected their Messiah. As described in the Book of Daniel, He was at that time “Messiah the Prince”, i.e., a KING in the making, not a King.)

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The first advent of Christ completed Israel's redemption, and manifested the Israel of God (the church) referred to in
Galatians 6:16.
(false )

Israel rejected him (true ), then God postponed this plan ( for a sovereign God, this sounds naive) until the
second advent
. (It is true that God will bring the Jewish nation to Himself during Daniel’s 70th week. )

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Christ instituted a  Jewish-Gentile church. ( He instituted the church at pentecost and ANYBODY can be in it, so in this sense, the statement is true and no self-respecting dispensationalist would disagree. However, national salvation for Israel results from the trial of the 70th week of Daniel and is made a reality at the end of the 70th week of Daniel.)

Christ instituted a Gentile church. ( since Paul is a Jew, this is an unsupportable statement.  In fact virtually the whole new testament was written by Jews.  An ignorant prejudiced Baptist might believe a statement like this (or the Pope might), but nobody taught this at Dallas Theological Seminary.)

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All unfulfilled spiritual promises to Israel are being fulfilled through the Christian church.(false )

Israel is God's earthly people the church is God's heavenly people. (post millennium only, Abraham’s seed was “as the sands of the sea and as the stars of heaven.”

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This does not represent a change in God's plans, but evidences progressive (continually unfolding) revelation.( each person has continually unfolding revelation, so this is confusing. However, in so far as total truth is concerned, the New Testament is necessary to complete the Old Testament message.

Israel's destiny is to remain on earth forever, the destiny of the church is to spend eternity in heaven. ( true )

End 02-20-2005


02-28-2005

Reader Asks

I have a Dake's Annotated Reference Bible and was reading about the antichrist in their notes on Daniel's eighth kingdom.
His notes agree that the antichrist will be the prince of Grecia. They say the last visions of Daniel concern the Grecian Empire, it's 4 divisions, and the rise of antichrist out of one of them. Antichrist, the earthly head of the 8th kingdom which is a revival of the 5th kingdom that had fallen before John's day. He will come from the Syrian division of the old Grecian Empire and revives it, then it is definite that the spirit out of the abyss is the prince of Grecia of Daniel 10:20

In Daniel 7:23-24- antichrist uses one of the ten kingdoms, the Syrian kingdom to overthrow three others., that is the other three divisions of the old Grecian Empireof Daniel 8:9,20-25. This points to the prince of Grecia as the beast out of the abyss.
The body of the beast of Revelation is like a Leopard 13:2 which in Daniel 7:6 symbolizes the Old Grecian Empire, proving that the kingdom of antichrist will be mainly Grecian in character and policy, as the Syrian division in Daniel 8:(-14,20-25:11 11:21-45.
In Joel 3:6 with Zech.9:13, we have prophecies of the Grecian Empire in the last days under antichrist, proving beyond doubt the prince of Grecia is the spirit of the abyss. This revival of Greece will be the head healed that was wounded.to death 13:3,12-14.
The eighth kingdom will be the REVIVED Grecian Empire, not the REVISED Roman Empire, which is the 7th HEAD on the beast.

The ten proofs the Toes and Horns are the same--
1- The number 10 is the same.
2- They all exist together and fight Christ at Armageddon
3- They all exist after Rome and are a revision of it.
4- They will all be connected with the same beast at the same time.
The Little Horn of Daniel 7:7-8 19:24 and the beast of Rev.17:9-17 are
the same and will arise after the ten kings and from among
them17:12-17 Dan.7:7-8 23-24
6- They will become subject to the same man at the same time.
7- The kingdom of God and Christ will set up in the days of their existence.
8- They will give their power to the same man for the same length of time..
9- The Ten Horns are the same as the seventh kingdom of Rev.17:8-17.
They succeed the 6th kingdom or ROME and precede the
8th or the antichrist kingdom. The Ten Toes and Ten Horns of Dan.2:40-45 7:7-823-24 also come out of Rome, succeed Rome and precede the kingdom of the Little Horn or the antichrist kingdom. Hence they must be the same.
10- The Ten Horns in both books reign both BEFORE and AFTER the beast or little horn- Their reign before him is different than that after him. Before he comes they are independent, but after he comes to power, they are subject to him.They control the 7th kingdom, he controls the 8th kingdom. Therefore, they must be the SAME.

Instead of starting with Babylon- the head of gold, being the 1st empire, Dake's bible has--
The 1st kingdom was Egypt to oppress Israel in the times of the Gentiles.
Assyria was the 2nd great empire to oppress Israel, founded by Nimrod.
Was inferior to Egypt- Antichrist will be the last Assyrian to oppress Israel. Isa.10:20-27 14:25 31:49-Mic.5:5-6 Assyria will be  blessed in the eternal kingdom along with Israel. Isa.11:16. The remnant will be blessed.

Babylon was the 3rd empire to oppress Israel in the times of the Gentiles. It is the 1st one mentioned in Daniel and for this reason many Bible scholars start at the time of the Gentiles with BABYLON. But both Egypt and Assyria persecuted Israel before Babylon much longer.Babylon will have a latter day part in oppressing Israel Isa13:14 Jer.50-51.

Medo- Persia was the 4th empire to oppress Israel in the times of the Gentiles. It will fulfill prophecy in the last days under antichrist.

Greece was the 5th empire to oppress Israel in the times of the Gentiles and the 3rd one in Daniel, Belly and Thighs of Brass, as the Leopard and as the He Goat 8:5-9 20-25. Will be revived again as the 8th -Greece and the Syrian and the Egyptian parts of the empire persecuted Israel off and on for 250 years.  The Grecian Empire is the 5th head on the beast of Revelation17:9-11.  Which was BEFORE John, which WAS and IS NOT in John's day, and becomes REVIVED as the EIGHTH and LAST kingdom to oppress Israel. She is the HEAD that was WOUNDED to DEATH.and MADE ALIVE again.

Rome was the 6th kingdom to oppress Israel in the times of the Gentiles and the 4th kingdom in Daniel. It is symbolized in Daniel as the LEGS of IRON and is the 6th HEAD on the beast Rev.17:9-17. Rome oppressed Israel over 200 years and dispersed the Jews 70 AD. Daniel  9:26-27  MT.24:1-3  Luke 21:20-24

It is from this territory that the next TWO KINGDOMS will arise.
Revised Rome will be the next empire mentioned in scriptures as oppressing Israel in the times of the Gentiles- This kingdom will be made up of TEN KINGDOMS inside the Roman empire territory of the last days. It is not REVIVED or else it would be ONE KINGDOM ruled by ONE MAN from ROME.. But instead TEN SEPARATE KINGDOMS ruled by TEN KINGS and with TEN SEPARATE CAPITOLS will be formed inside the Roman Empire territory. This is the TEN TOES of Daniel and TEN HORNS of Revelation.

You have to know this Dake's Annotated Reference Bible was copyrighted in 1961.
I was wondering what you thought of this interpretation.

                                                                              

God Bless You
 
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ANSWER


I have a Dake's Annotated Reference Bible and was reading about the antichrist in their notes on Daniel's eighth kingdom.
His notes agree that the antichrist will be the prince of Grecia.


That is entirely possible.

They say the last visions of Daniel concern the Grecian Empire, it's 4 divisions, and the rise of antichrist out of one of them.

Agree.

Antichrist, the earthly head of the 8th kingdom which is a revival of the 5th kingdom that had fallen before John's day.

Agree.

He will come from the Syrian division of the old Grecian Empire and revives it,

Agree.

then it is definite that the spirit out of the abyss is the prince of Grecia of Daniel 10:20

It is hard to argue against this.  It certainly is possible, but, not mandated. Of course, this occurs at the mid-point of the tribulation.

In Daniel 7:23-24- antichrist uses one of the ten kingdoms, the Syrian kingdom to overthrow three others.,

It is not made clear from the text that this is the exact manner in which this happens, i.e., Syria subdues 3 kings.  It may happen this way, but it may not.

 that is the other three divisions of the old Grecian Empireof Daniel 8:9,20-25.

I believe that this is a stretch.  There is no statement to make it clear who the 3 kings are.  Besides if the 3 kings encompass the entire area of the Grecia empire (along with Syria) where would the other 7 kings come from?  So, I doubt if this is true.

This points to the prince of Grecia as the beast out of the abyss.

See above.

The body of the beast of Revelation is like a Leopard 13:2 which in Daniel 7:6 symbolizes the Old Grecian Empire, proving that the kingdom of antichrist will be mainly Grecian in character and policy, as the Syrian division in Daniel 8:(-14,20-25:11 11:21-45.

Agree.

In Joel 3:6 with Zech.9:13, we have prophecies of the Grecian Empire in the last days under antichrist, proving beyond doubt the prince of Grecia is the spirit of the abyss.

The verses certainly refer to the Grecian character of the kingdom, but, they do not specifically address the “prince of Grecia.”   See above on prince of Grecia.  I am not saying this interpretation is wrong.  I am saying that it might be wrong.  However, to those on the ground during the tribulation it will not matter.  They will not know the difference between the antichrist and the “prince of Grecia” because they will be in the body of one person.  It is possible that the “prince of Grecia” is an angel, not the spirit from the abyss.

This revival of Greece will be the head healed that was wounded.to death 13:3,12-14.

Entirely possible.

The eighth kingdom will be the REVIVED Grecian Empire, not the REVISED Roman Empire, which is the 7th HEAD on the beast.

1) Egypt, 2) Assyria, 3) Babylon, 4) Media-Persia, 5) Greece, 6) Rome, 7) An Empire Revived by the Bush Administration which will encompass this http://jesus-is-the-way.com/beastempire.html area, formerly Alexander’s Grecian Empire, and will have 10 “kings”  8) When antichrist takes over number kingdom 7.  Therefore, I agree.

The ten proofs the Toes and Horns are the same--
1- The number 10 is the same.
2- They all exist together and fight Christ at Armageddon
3- They all exist after Rome and are a revision of it.
4- They will all be connected with the same beast at the same time.
The Little Horn of Daniel 7:7-8 19:24 and the beast of Rev.17:9-17 are
the same and will arise after the ten kings and from among
them17:12-17 Dan.7:7-8 23-24
6- They will become subject to the same man at the same time.
7- The kingdom of God and Christ will set up in the days of their existence.
8- They will give their power to the same man for the same length of time..
9- The Ten Horns are the same as the seventh kingdom of Rev.17:8-17.


This is precisely what I said above (which is pretty interesting since I had not read this part).

They succeed the 6th kingdom or ROME and precede the 8th or the antichrist kingdom. The Ten Toes and Ten Horns of Dan.2:40-45 7:7-823-24 also come out of Rome, succeed Rome and precede the kingdom of the Little Horn or the antichrist kingdom. Hence they must be the same.

Exactly.

10- The Ten Horns in both books reign both BEFORE and AFTER the beast or little horn- Their reign before him is different than that after him. Before he comes they are independent, but after he comes to power, they are subject to him.They control the 7th kingdom, he controls the 8th kingdom. Therefore, they must be the SAME.

I agree and here are the ten kings: http://jesus-is-the-way.com/TenKings2.html


Instead of starting with Babylon- the head of gold, being the 1st empire, Dake's bible has--
The 1st kingdom was Egypt to oppress Israel in the times of the Gentiles.
Assyria was the 2nd great empire to oppress Israel, founded by Nimrod. Was inferior to Egypt- Antichrist will be the last Assyrian to oppress Israel. Isa.10:20-27 14:25 31:49-Mic.5:5-6 Assyria will be blessed in the eternal kingdom along with Israel. Isa.11:16. The remnant will be blessed.


Babylon was the 3rd empire to oppress Israel in the times of the Gentiles. It is the 1st one mentioned in Daniel and for this reason many Bible scholars start at the time of the Gentiles with BABYLON. But both Egypt and Assyria persecuted Israel before Babylon much longer.Babylon will have a latter day part in oppressing Israel Isa13:14 Jer.50-51.

Medo- Persia was the 4th empire to oppress Israel in the times of the Gentiles. It will fulfill prophecy in the last days under antichrist.

Greece was the 5th empire to oppress Israel in the times of the Gentiles and the 3rd one in Daniel, Belly and Thighs of Brass, as the Leopard and as the He Goat 8:5-9 20-25. Will be revived again as the 8th -Greece and the Syrian and the Egyptian parts of the empire persecuted Israel off and on for 250 years. The Grecian Empire is the 5th head on the beast of Revelation17:9-11.  Which was BEFORE John, which WAS and IS NOT in John's day, and becomes REVIVED as the EIGHTH and LAST kingdom to oppress Israel. She is the HEAD that was WOUNDED to DEATH.and MADE ALIVE again.

I have to agree with the above.

Rome was the 6th kingdom to oppress Israel in the times of the Gentiles and the 4th kingdom in Daniel. It is symbolized in Daniel as the LEGS of IRON and is the 6th HEAD on the beast Rev.17:9-17. Rome oppressed Israel over 200 years and dispersed the Jews 70 AD. Daniel  9:26-27  MT.24:1-3  Luke 21:20-24 It is from this territory that the next TWO KINGDOMS will arise.

The above is confusing.  Since the ten kings come from here: http://jesus-is-the-way.com/TenKings2.html , this hardly constitutes “Rome” proper.  Dakes said above it is the revived Grecian empire. Here he is changing it to the Revived Roman empire.  He can’t have it both ways.  “Rome” could certainly supply the false prophet and in this sense oppress Israel.

Revised Rome will be the next empire mentioned in scriptures as oppressing Israel in the times of the Gentiles- This kingdom will be made up of TEN KINGDOMS inside the Roman empire territory of the last days.

Here are the ten kings http://jesus-is-the-way.com/TenKings2.html
They are inside part of what was Rome.  Calling them Rome, however, is confusing, because they are Moslem countries.


It is not REVIVED or else it would be ONE KINGDOM ruled by ONE MAN from ROME.. But instead TEN SEPARATE KINGDOMS ruled by TEN KINGS and with TEN SEPARATE CAPITOLS will be formed inside the Roman Empire territory. This is the TEN TOES of Daniel and TEN HORNS of Revelation.

Agree

So, what we are facing in rapid succession is this: See this chart for the sequence- http://jesus-is-the-way.com/PostWar.html#Chart

First, the rapture of the church – http://jesus-is-the-way.com/Rapture.html
(Prior to the rapture two trends will accelerate rapidly and simultaneously- one is the move toward “peace” in the Middle East and the second is the lead up to the Magog invasion of Israel- http://jesus-is-the-way.com/Magog.html#Shia

Second, Iran and the nations of the southern Caucasus, etc will invade Israel (coaxed by the US intelligence community? See the link immediately above).  The invaders will be destroyed.

Third, the antichrist (before his rise to full power) will “ confirm the covenant with many for one week (7 years)” (in the aftermath of the defeated invaders).

During this same time frame the   10-king “security regime” of the Middle East  will be formed under the threat of “democracy” from the United States Military which will be involved (along with the intelligence community) in coopting certain Moslem military movements beginning in northern Iraq.   This period will be marked by military wars and civil wars.   The military from northern Iraq will be that of the antichrist .

Fourth, in the midst of the week, the character of the antichrist will be changed and he will show up in the temple claiming to God.  His worship will be enforced by death .  The enforcer will be the false prophet.  At this point the 10 kinged “security regime” of the Middle East will give their power to the antichrist.

The United States has indeed "crossed the Rubicon", an expression meaning assumed a high risk from which there is no turning back.  The Bush administration is determined to see what they started through to completion.   Their plans will be interrupted .  Before the US military leaves the Middle East, the Lord Jesus Christ will return to this earth.


End 02-28-2005


03-12-2005

QUESTION

What do you think of the six year old precocious Jewish child in New York City who is making "revelations" that his parents did not reveal to him?  http://www.erevmoshiach.com/EM/ErevMoshiach3.asp

ANSWER

First, read the following verses and keep these in mind.

For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.    -- Matthew 24:24

For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall show signs and  wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.    -- Mark 13:22

And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on  the earth in the sight of men,   And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles  which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of  the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to  receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:  And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of  the beast, or the number of his name. 
-- Revelation 13:13-17

Specifics-

He says that the Jewish people have done all the commandments except for one -- the mitzvah of appointing a king. Wasn't this done in the time of King Saul, he was asked? He replied "Yes, but we have to do in our time when we are alive." "Even just one Jew has to say 'I want a king' for Moshiach to come." His father said this, evidently without results. "I guess you're not a perfect tzaddik (righteous)." "If all the Jewish people say 'I want a king' or if one perfect tzaddik would say it, then Moshiach would come."

Comment- the “king” will be antichrist.  "Moshiach" will be the antichrist.

This very clever presentation shows just how deceptively close to the truth the forces of antichrist will be.  Stay in the WORD of God and do NOT believe the spirits that will be rampant.

Part One

Pt#1 In cave of Machpela waiting – he is referring to the antichrist while presenting him as Moshiach.  Luke 21:8

Pt#2 we’ll have to kill them in the war – persecution of true believers (he calls "bad guys") during trib

Pt#3 resurrection of regular Jews, etc – explaining away the rapture.  Everyone will know there was a rapture.  It will be what you DO with it that will make a difference during the trib.  Great deception exists here.

Pt#4 Moshe and patriarchs resurrected – These are the 2 witnesses from Revelation.  Again, what you DO with it.  Those that follow this child will eventually worship antichrist.

Pt#5 vast game of musical chairs to decide who dies – persecution and martyrdom of the believer.  I get the feeling that the boy thinks the bad guys get killed.

Pt#6 earthquakes everywhere, except Israel – we know there will be earthquakes in Israel.  The point here is that the child is getting a LOT of things right.

Pt#10 holy fire to make the gentiles convert – false prophet makes fire come down from heaven and instead of "converting" them actually sends them into hell.

Pt#11 holy fire force acceptance of the mitzvos – deception of false prophet forces mark of the beast, which just goes to show you - do not take just any "mitzvos."

Pt#12 only the not true Jews will not take the mitzvos – in other words, those that do not take the mark of the beast, will be the bad guys

Pt#13 Two people will be brought to life and die (by implication “bad guys”) – the 2 witnesses of God

Part Two

Pt#1 the fake coming of Moshiach – this is the rapture and it is referred to as “fake”, an obvious demonic influence on the boy

Pt#6 Jews and righteous gentiles will know that this is Moshiach…will be happy and excited – yes, but not for long because Moshiach will be the antichrist.

Part Three

Many of these signs are scriptural, i.e.. they will happen.  However, how you interpret these is the real issue, what you DO with them is the issue, who is Christ and who is antichrist is the issue, “false Christ and false prophets…to seduce if it were possible even the elect  Mark 13:22  In my opinion, the source behind the boy’s revelations is satanic, the spirit of antichrist.

Pt#7 bad gentiles will run in fear because Moshiach is here – translation, believers will flee the antichrist.

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QUESTION

Are you an eschatologist and does the following verse mean that 50 percent of the church will be raptured?
As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.  -- Revelation 3:19


ANSWER

Some people that read this website think I am a proctologist.  LOL.   Simply, I am someone who starts with the belief that the Bible is true.  My 12th grade English teacher said "I have never seen such faith."  (This faith is not an invention of mine; it came from the Lord.  All faith comes from and is a gift from the Almighty.)  Since, by nature, I am a person who organizes facts; all I am doing is attempting to present an organization of the current facts in the news to demonstrate that the prophecies of the Bible are actually coming to pass sooner than most people are ready.  I might be wrong about some things, but the Bible itself is never wrong.  I leave my mistakes on the website for anyone to see.  More precisely, the events themselves are teaching us what the Bible means.  I am just pointing them out to those who are interested.  However, in so doing, I am not going to stop with Daniel 2.  Daniel 3-12 (particularly Dan 7-8) teaches us that (for example) that the antichrist is not going to come from Rome.  If you stop after Daniel 2, you might be able to say that; but, you can not stop at Daniel 2.

As to Revelation 3:19, the verse simply means that those the Lord loves He also rebukes and chastens.  Consequently, the ones He loves are not a different group from the ones He rebukes and chastens.  A major teaching of the Bible is that "for whom the Lord loveth He chasteneth and scourgeth every son whom He receiveth."  (Heb 12:6)   Read this discussion of chastening.

We know from the referenced discussion of chastening that you cannot repent until you are chastened.  The Lord is encouraging them to repent BEFORE the tribulation.

End 03-12-2005



03-29-2005

READER from St Petersburg Russia sends Beautiful Letter  (My comments are in BOLD)

Dear Friends,
Excuse me please, let me attract your attention to the words of Jesus Christ (in an episode when Jesus Christ has taken a cross)
in the film “The Passion of the Christ” of  Mel Gibson: “I am your servant, Father. Your servant, and the son of Your handmaid”.

Excuse me please and please don’t angry to me, but it is a very big mistake, because God the Father has given birth to Jesus Christ, but has not created.  (Amen to that)  “I will declare the decree: God has told to Me: You are My Son, today I have begotten You” (Psalm 2:7).

Jesus Christ is the eternal given birth Son, not created. Jesus Christ is not “the son of God’s handmaid”, He is the eternal given birth Son.  (I love you, Vladimir, for pointing out this truth)

And there is in the New Testament such words of Jesus Christ are not present. Please inform Mel Gibson about it.
(He certainly has got it wrong; if he asked me, I'd tell him the truth. There a lot of problems with this movieIt amazes me that so many churches are supporting it.)

Father, Son and Holy Spirit is one God, but only the second Person of the Holy Trinity is the King -  Lord Jesus Christ, and we must not to miss.  There is in the Old Testament Lord Jesus Christ said: "I am the Lord, your Holy One, the Creator of Israel, your King"
(Isaiah 43:15).  There is the Old Testament of the Holy Scripture tell us about it. It is the great and beautiful message, what keep the Holy Scripture to the God’s glory.  Please let me attract your attention my small article “Jesus Christ – King  of the Old Testament”.
Excuse me please my mistakes in English, I am sorry, I don't speak English. (A lot of us can speak English, but far less can tell the truth like you didYour English was plenty good enough to bless my soul.)
Thank you.

God bless you,

Vladimir
St. Petersburg, Russia,

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This is Vladimir's message on the Deity of Jesus Christ and His Kingship.  I highlighted some of his text and I made some comments in parentheses.)

Jesus Christ – King of the Old Testament

Many assert, that Lord Jesus Christ is the Son of God, but that He is not the God, completely ignoring that fact, that under law of Moses the Son of  God means only one – “equal to the God” and “the God, as well as His   Father”. Verses of the Holy Scripture where Jews condemn Jesus Christ that He names himself Son of God testify to it: “Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God” (John. 5:18);
“The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God” (John. 10:33).

Therefore any person who declares itself, that he is the Son of God, under law Moses makes itself equal to the God, makes itself by the God, naming the Father of the God, that under law Moses is classified as blasphemy, and adequately death what of Jews and have declared Pontius Pilate, condemning Jesus Christ on death: “The Jews answered him, “We have a law, and according to our law He ought to die, because He made Himself the Son of God” (John. 19:7). From what follows, that if Lord Jesus Christ is not the God as well as His Father Jews have acted fairly, having condemned Jesus Christ on death. Who today will dare to make the similar application?

Law of Moses speaks that Lord Jesus Christ is the true Son God, equal to the God and the God, as well as His Father.
Words “sons of God” in relation to the man in the Holy Scripture specify that it sons of God on good fortune, instead of by the nature as Jesus Christ, and to confuse these two concepts is inadmissible:  “For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God” (Romans 8:14); “nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the Angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection” (Luke 20:36). And only Jesus Christ is Son God by the nature, is equal to the God and the God, as well as His Father:
“For to which of the Angels did He ever say: “You are My Son, today I have begotten You?” (Hebrews 1:5).

“I have made the earth, and created man on it” (Isaiah 45:12) Sons of God are creature of God, but only Jesus Christ is begotten Son, not created.  (emphasis added by Russell

God the Father and the Son of God Jesus Christ are the two separate Persons having the nature of the God, and to mix the Father and the Son in one Person is inadmissible.  The God is one, but the Persons having the nature of the God, not one.
Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one” (Deuteronomy 6:4) (music to my ears);  “I will announce the definition: God has told to Me: You are My Son, today I have begotten You” (Psalm 2:7).

Set of these two verses gives the full basis to name Lord Jesus Christ “one more Person”, having the nature of the God. To name Jesus Christ “one more God” in aggregate with told in Deuteronomy 6:4 “the Lord is one” - means to contradict to definition of God, what Jesus Christ announced in Psalm 2:7.

From what follows, that the “God is one” is definition of God, which the Son of God in 7-th verse of 2-nd Psalm has solemnly declared. “I will announce the definition’ - the words of 7-th verse of 2-nd Psalm to which today it is not given any value, as if these words in the Holy Scripture is not present. But these words in the Holy Scripture are, and they are told by somebody, but Lord Jesus Christ, and they have the most direct attitude to the nature of the God. At reading the Holy Scripture at the person the impression is created, that  on behalf of the God in the Old Testament is submitted speaking only one Person, God the Father, but at close examination it is simple to define, that it is far from being so.

“God said to Moses, “I am Who I am (Jehovah)”; and He said, “Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, I am has sent me to you. » (Exodus 3:14).  Who is submitted speaking in the Exodus 3:14 Father, the Son or Holy Spirit?  Today practically everyone, not reflecting will answer, that it is the God the Father while except for the Father speaking can be submitted both the Son and Holy Spirit.

Let's result a verse of the Old Testament in which Father is submitted speaking only: “Thus says God the Lord, who created the heavens and stretched them out, who spread out the earth and its offspring, who gives breath to the people on it and spirit to those who walk in it,” (Isaiah 42:5).

Verses of the Old Testament in which the Son is submitted speaking only:  “Surely My hand founded the earth, and My right hand spread out the heavens; when I call to them, they stand together” (Isaiah 48:13); “You are My witnesses,” declares the Lord, “and My servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe Me and understand that I am He. (awesome, Vladimir)
Before Me there was no God formed, and there will be none after Me” (Isaiah 43:10,11); Verse of the Old Testament in which it is submitted speaking only Holy Spirit: “The Lord said to Moses, “How long will this people spurn Me” (Numbers 14:11).
About a verse in which it is submitted speaking Holy Spirit, prophet Isaiah has mentioned: “But they rebelled and grieved His Holy Spirit;” (Isaiah 63:10).

The special attention should be turned on verses of the Old Testament in which the word “King” in relation to the God because in all these verses King is only the Son of God Lord Jesus Christ about what the God the Father has told to us in 6-th verse of 2-nd psalm is mentioned:

“Yet I have set My King  on My holy hill of Zion” (Psalm 2:6).  Therefore further in all verses in the Old Testament in the Holy Scripture where the word “King” in relation to the God is mentioned the Son, not Father and not Holy Spirit is submitted, and to confuse these concepts besides is inadmissible: “I am the Lord, your Holy One, the Creator of Israel, your King” (Isaiah 43:15);
Speaking only about the Father, we speak about the one God, speaking only about the Son, we speak about the one God, speaking only about the Holy Spirit, we speak about the one God, speaking about the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit, we speak about the one God, but not about one Person. That is why King is only one Person, the Son, and to name King of the Father or Holy
Spirit, it means to suppose mixture of Persons that to make it is impossible. The Son of God is the one God, eternal King:
“In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon the throne, high and lifted up, and His train filled the temple.
Then said I, Woe is me! For I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips; for mine eyes have seen the King, the Lord of hosts” (Isaiah 6:1,5).

“These things said Isaiah, when he saw His glory, and spoke of Him” (John 12:41), about Son of God, Lord Jesus Christ, King, Lord of hosts. “And about the Son: You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the work of Your hands” (Hebrews. 1:8,10);

“Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion! Shout, O daughter of Jerusalem! Behold, your King is coming to you; He is just and having salvation, lowly and riding on a donkey, a colt, the foal of a donkey” (Zechariah 9:9);

“And the LORD shall be King over all the earth. In that day it shall be. “The Lord is one,” And His name one” (Zechariah 14:9);

“Then the King will say to those on His right hand, "Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world” (Matthew 25:34);

“Pilate also wrote an inscription and put it on the cross. It was written, “Jesus the Nazarene, the King of the Jews” (John 19:19);
“These will make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, for He is Lord of lords and King of kings; and those who are with Him are called, chosen, and faithful” (Revelation 17:14);

“And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written: King of kings and Lord of lords” (Revelation 19:16).
“Your arrows are sharp in the heart of the King's enemies; the peoples fall under You” (Psalm 45:5);
“For the Lord Most High is awesome; He is a great King over all the earth” (Psalm 47:2);

“Sing praises to God, sing praises! Sing praises to our King, sing praises! For God is the King of all the earth; Sing praises with understanding” (Psalm 47:6,7);

“For the LORD is the great God, and the great King above all gods” (Psalm 95:3);
“Your eyes will see the King in His beauty; they will see the land that is very far off» (Isaiah 33:17);

Lift up your heads, O you gates! And be lifted up, you everlasting doors!  And the King of glory shall come in.  Who is this King of glory? The Lord strong and mighty, the LORD mighty in  battle.  Lift up your heads, O you gates! Lift up, you everlasting doors! And the King of glory shall come in.  Who is this King of glory? The Lord of hosts, He is the King of glory” (Psalm 24:7-10).

 “And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen by angels, preached among the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up in glory” (1 Timothy 3:16). (One of my favorites)

“Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit” (Matthew 28:19).

Totally awesome and beautiful, Vladimir.  Jesus said, "before Abraham was, I AM!!!"

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My email to Vladimir

Vladimir-
Beautiful message and beautifully done.
If I knew Mel Gibson, I would tell him what you said because you are correct.  Your English is is good enough for me.  Thank you very much. I am posting your letter for all to read because it is a wonderful message.
Thank you and God bless you,
Russell


End 03-29-2005

05-22-2005
The following email was received from a reader who is writing a paper and needs a bibliographic entry.

READER WRITES

Russell,
your stuff really is just amazing! I am continually amazed at your detailed use of scripture! But I could use just a little more help [in addition to your name] ...if you don't mind?

I have got this massive works cited project going - as you know (I honestly think my biblio is gonna be more than twice the size of my research paper!) - and, my history instructor wants us to annotate/evaluate every source. Is there any chance you would be willing to let me know anything more about your background...like, where you learned to study the Word like that?! And maybe if you are overseen by a parent ministry (church, school, etc)? He just wants me to present a sort of "Why should I believe you?" kind of thing. Can you help?

Really, Thank you very much

Em

ANSWER

Quoting from the main page of the website-

This website is not about making "predictions."  This website is about watching the news to see how it fits into Bible prophecy.  As the news develops, we get a clearer picture of what the Bible is actually saying will transpire.  The objective, then, is a synthesis of current events and the Bible.  An hypothesis may be put forward, but only if there is a scriptural basis for doing so.  An hypothesis might be wrong, but, the Bible is never wrong.  I am nothing, my opinion means nothing; what the Bible says is paramount. All hypotheses are left on the site (for the sake of honesty), even if they prove to be incorrect.  One objective of the site is to stir the reader to study the Bible for himself.  If you see something we need to report, please let us know.  It is perfectly clear already that the Bible is an AMAZING BOOK of HISTORY TOLD IN ADVANCE .

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Note: What i say might be wrong, but the Bible is NEVER wrong.  My understanding of the Bible or current events may be just plain wrong.  I am nothing but dirt.   See this .

I recommend that you read the link above to begin to understand.  By the way, the least significant message on my website is the antichrist.  A few facts that may be relevant follow.

I have always believed the Bible (the King James in English) to be the literal Word of God.  I believe that we should “let God be true and every man a liar” (if they are different).  Most people never do this.  They do not know what the Bible says and/or when they encounter an idea that is foreign to the Bible, they accept the idea (even unconsciously) and move right along their merry way. Always believing the absolute importance of every Word of God, I proceeded on that principle.  In high school I was in classes with an eventual PhD in physics from MIT, eventual graduates from Duke University, Princeton, Yale, Vanderbilt, cadets from the Air Force Academy, and midshipmen from the Naval Academy.  The only reason I am telling you this is that amidst a discussion of the Bible in senior English (in which I was openly opposed by virtually everyone in the class), the teacher said to me, “I have never seen such faith.”  My faith is simply a gift from God.  All real faith is a gift from God.  My earthly inspiration was my Dad.   He told me that the Lord was coming back soon because Israel was now a nation.  Born the year Israel became a nation, I studied everything I could get my hands on from the time I was in high school. Authors with agendas or authors contradicting the Word are and have been summarily trashed without hesitation. (I do read authors with “agendas” to discover what the enemy is doing, but only for that reason. I watch the news to discover what it is I am supposed to be thinking about and what I am supposed to think about them, chuckle.  Of course, there is no real “news” in the media.)

Importantly, I know that my salvation is entirely the work of the Lord.  Consequently, I never sought to manufacture any religious sentiment.  Manufactured religious sentiment is nothing but the flesh clothed in “religion.”  “Religion” is the enemy of God and the tool of Satan to deceive men.  If any spiritual experience came about in my life, it was assuredly not going to be of my own creation.  I have never been a member of any organized religion nor do I have any formal “theological” training.  Early on I wanted to be a preacher, but, I could not in good conscience accept money for teaching that which is given freely by the Lord (and I will never surrender intellectual integrity nor moral authority for any reason to any man, nor will I blindly follow men, especially men who believe that truth comes when one is lifted up in pride).  Once I was traveling through the back roads of North Carolina to pick up my girl friend and I saw a sign in front of a country church that read, “THE HOUSE OF GOD WHERE THE WORD OF GOD IS HONORED.”   My reaction? – what a lie.  If the Word of God says that YE ARE HIS BUILDING, YE ARE HIS TEMPLE, how can you honor the Word by saying that brick and mortar is His house?  When I hear preachers say that we are gathered in “God’s house” to worship God, I cringe.  True worship can only come from the heart being in the PRONE position (face down in the dirt and desperate).  True worship comes about when one is TOTALLY and helplessly dependent upon the Almighty.  When you are dressed in a $300 suit and you are full of food and you are proud of your Sunday School “religious” message, you completely forgot that the Lord spoke through an ASS once (Numbers 22:28).

My advice to anyone is to SEEK HIM with your WHOLE HEART!!  Without faith it is impossible to please Him; for he that cometh to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of them that DILIGENTLY SEEK HIM (not something from Him!!!).   (Hebrews 11:6)  The Lord is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit. (Psa 34:18)

My honest answer to your question (why should I believe you?) is as follows.  Do not believe me.  Believe the Almighty and His written Word because THAT and THAT ALONE is my parent ministry (church, school, etc).  My parent ministry is the furnace of affliction, period. 

Further, use the Word of God yourself and PROVE that I am wrong.  If you do prove me wrong, send me an email proving I am wrong and I will publish your email so all can see the truth.  I do not care if I am wrong.  All I care about is admonishing the believers as to the truth of the Word of God.  If I have to be wrong to do that, I welcome it.  Education, philosophy, religion, and following men will never open the deep truths of the Almighty to us.

Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. Colossians 2:8

End 05-22-2005


05-28-2005

Reader Asks

QUESTION 1
 - Who is the Beast Out of the Abyss?
  It is clearly not Satan because in the middle of Daniel’s 70th Week he is cast out of heaven into the earth (Rev 12), and not the Abyss. 

ANSWER

Good question.  Who cast him out of heaven?  The chain of command is always observed.  Here is an example of a heavenly conversation:

And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought?  Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land. But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face.   And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.              -- Job 1:7-12

Here we have Satan in heaven speaking with the Lord.  The Lord asked him where he was immediately prior to coming into his presence [Whence comest thou?].  The answer - From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. 

Could this scenario not be repeated in Revelation Chapter 12? Could Satan not come from “in the earth” and go to heaven and then be cast out, i.e, ordered out?  [I am not saying that the beast from the bottomless pit IS Satan. I am merely making a point about your limiting the scope and meaning of this verse.]

 Furthermore being cast out of heaven is similar to being cast out of political office.  It does not matter where you are physically at the moment you are cast out of office.  Being “cast out of heaven” has a more to do with no longer having accessibility to the Lord than where you are “stationed” when you lose your authority.  So, when Satan is cast out of heaven, he is losing the authority to approach the Lord as he once did.  It is not necessarily limiting his then physical location (because we already know that Satan walks up and down “in” the earth.)  I could just as easily ask you, “how could Satan be cast out of heaven since he is also walking up and down in the earth?”

Another related question – who is the “son of perdition”?  The “son of perdition” would be the son of Satan just as Christ is the Son of God.  Are the beast from the bottomless pit and the “son of perdition” the same?  Clarence Larkin in Dispensational Truth says that they are the same.  We see that “son of perdition” appears in the Bible in two places, one is in reference to Judas and the other is in reference to the antichrist.

Reference to Judas-

While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.    -- John 17:12

Reference to antichrist-

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;    -- 2 Thessalonians 2:3

Clarence Larkin says that the son of perdition may be both Judas and the antichrist.

I do not know if I agree with that or not (but only because it is intellectually difficult to understand how Judas and the antichrist are the same man.  However, I am not saying that they are not the same man either.  Larkin’s explanation could well be the correct viewpoint.  Note- it also is difficult to understand how the “everlasting Father” was born in a manger, but I believe it.)  Using the logic of scripture, it is difficult to argue against Larkin’s position.  It certainly appears that there is only one “son of perdition.”  This would make sense because there is also only one Son of God, with appearances prior to His birth, including appearances before Abraham and Moses.  This I do believe – the beast from the bottomless pit is a “personage.”   I agree that ascension from a pit is NOT done by an empire, but a “personage” (more on this later).

I believe this “personage” will be IN the antichrist (at a minimum).  How this is accomplished is really the issue and frankly it does not add to our understanding of the prophecy to know exactly HOW this comes about.  Just as there is a “Mystery of Godliness” there is also a “Mystery of Iniquity.” We just KNOW that it DOES come to pass.  Whether the antichrist dies and is resurrected as another “personage” in the natural body of the original pre-death antichrist or whether the “personage” comes and inhabits the body of the antichrist without his having died or whether the natural body of the currently living antichrist is in fact Judas, we have no way of knowing.  I do not need to know the answer to this to believe that the antichrist ascends from the bottomless pit. 

Because some say this (Abaddon=the beast)-
There is no direct scriptural statement  that Abaddon IS also the beast from the bottomless pit.  There is only the statement that there is an angel (aka Apollyon) of the bottomless pit (Rev 9:11).  To say that Abaddon is the antichrist or is the beast (or a beast) or is the Prince of Grecia (as some do) come back to claim his throne is pure speculation.  It appears to me that the angel of the bottomless pit is NOT the ‘son of perdition’ nor is Abaddon the beast (because no scripture says so.)  On the other hand the scripture does say that Judas had to go to “his own place” (Acts 1:25).  Could this place have been the bottomless pit?  Could this explain how the beast “was” (on earth) and “is not” (now on earth) and “yet is” (Rev 17:8)? 

The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. -- Revelation 17:8

There is additional identification of Judas in the scriptures.  The identification is that Judas IS the devil.  Since Christ, the Son of God, is also known as the “everlasting Father” (Isa 9:6), could not the “son of perdition” also be known as the Devil (i.e., Satan)?

Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil? -- John 6:70

The word “devil” is Strong’s Concordance word number 1228, diabolos.  This same word diabolos (#1228) is also used in the following verse.

Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
  
-- John 8:44

It is clear from John 8:44 that “diabolos” is the Devil, Satan himself, the father of the lie. As to the use of the indefinite article in John 6:70 in regards to Judas, this represents the allowance that Judas is a fleshly manifestation of Satan.  So, Judas is not only the “son of perdition”, but also “diabolos”, the Devil.


QUESTION 2
- How can the ‘Woman Mystery Babylon’ ride the natural born antichrist?
 The Seven Head Ten-Horned Beast Out of the Abyss cannot be human – humans do not come out of the Abyss, only demonic creatures. 

“The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit...” (Rev. 17:8)

ANSWER

You cited in Question 1 Rev chapter 12 as the point at which Satan is cast out of heaven. In the very next verse, Rev 13:1 (Rev 12 ends at 12:17) the beast rises out of the sea.  My question to you is – how did he arise from the sea if he came from the bottlomless pit, Abyss as you say?

And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.    -- Revelation 13:1

Which is it, beast out of the sea or beast out of the bottlomless pit?  The answer is BOTH and consequently these two beasts are not identical.  The beast out of the bottomless pit is the antichrist personage.  The beast out of the sea is the politico-religio realm of his dominion, i.e., the kingdom of the antichrist.  The beast out of the sea is NOT a personage.  The political beast is destroyed upon the second coming of Christ and the beast from the bottomless pit is placed into the lake of fire.  The woman therefore does not ride the natural born antichrist (as you say), but the KINGDOM of the antichrist.  This gives us THREE personages - Satan, the beast antichrist, and the false prophet which parallel  God the Father, the Son of God, and the Holy Spirit.

The beast out of the sea (which is ridden by the woman, a false church) is the kingdom of antichrist which parallels the Kingdom of Christ, which has as its "kings and priests" the true church (Rev 5:10).

End 05-28-2005


07-17-2005

QUESTION

I have decided that i don't understand 1 Cor 14 at all.   Here are a few points to note, and a few questions.

Points to note:

In v. 2, Paul writes "He that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men but unto God"

In v. 2, Paul writes "For no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries"

In v. 4, Paul writes "He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself"

In v. 22-25: "Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.23If therefore the whole church be come together
into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?   24But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all"

Questions:

a) How can tongues be a sign for "them that believe not" (v.22) if "no man understandeth" the speaker (v. 2).
What, then, does "are for a sign" mean? After all, the speaker is speaking "unto God" (v.2) when he speaks in a tongue, "not unto men" (v.2).
b) How can tongues edify "he that speaketh" (v. 4) if "no man understandeth" the speaker (v. 2)? What, then, does "edifieth" mean? After all, if the speaker can not understand what he is saying, how is he edified by it? The rest of the chapter makes it abundantly clear that no one ELSE is edified by it either when THEY don't understand. Why would the speaker be edified?
c) If prophesying "serveth not for them that believe not" (v. 22), then how does "one that believeth not" (v.25) become "convinced of all" (v.25)
if he "come in" when "all prophesy" (v. 25)?  This one just flat doesnt make any sense to me, unless "serveth not for" means something that I am just not comprehending.

What does all this mean?

ANSWER If there ever was a chapter written in advance to refute an entire denomination, this is it.  Firstly, “tongues” means languages and nothing else.  It does not mean “glossolalia” as practiced by the Pentecostal.  The practice by Pentecostals is simply the flesh and pride taken to an entirely new level.  It is pure bull.  As we see chapter 14 unfold, we learn to have as our objective- spiritual gifts which lead to edification (building up the believers’ faith in Biblical truths), prophesying (the declaration of Biblical truths).  We also learn that all things should be done decently and in order. Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.-- 1 Corinthians 14:1
The objective of declaring Biblical truths (prophesying) is set forth as the purpose of charity and spiritual gifts.

 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries -- 1 Corinthians 14:2
If the native language of the hearer is French and he knows no other language, the unknown language of English is not understood by the hearer.It does not make one bit of difference that the speaker happened to be a native Frenchman either. Because if the speaker was a native Frenchman, and the hearer could only understand French, and the speaker started speaking in English, he only did it because he is an ass trying to impress someone (because the speaker is not prophesying or edifying the Frenchman who is trying to listen). In short, why would God speak to an entire room of red-neck speaking White Boys on W Street behind Luke’s house in any language but “red-neck?” [This did happen exactly as the question is posed.One of the red-necks jumped up, ran down the aisle, and started yelling in “gloss-o-BULL.”]

But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.-- 1 Corinthians 14:3
He that does it right (declares Biblical truth to the hearers) benefits many red-necks.

He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.-- 1 Corinthians 14:4
 If the Frenchman above speaks English, the Frenchman is the only one being edified.However, if the speaker spoke Biblical truth, all the Frenchmen in the room would benefit.

I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.-- 1 Corinthians 14:5
Prophesying is the PURPOSE of speaking anything.So, if you gonna speak English to the French, you better have an interpreter. And worse, if you are already French, what is YOUR PROBLEM?

Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?-- 1 Corinthians 14:6
What good is “tongues” if it does not benefit the Lord’s people?

And even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped?-- 1 Corinthians 14:7
The same thing is true for musical instruments (your one year olds’ piano playing).

For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle? -- 1 Corinthians 14:8
Don’t waste your time making undiscernible noises.

So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air. -- 1 Corinthians 14:9
Yep.

There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification.-- 1 Corinthians 14:10
Voices in this context ends up being languages.

Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me. 1 Corinthians 14:11
2 Furriners can not understand one another.

Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.
-- 1 Corinthians 14:12
You may want the gift of speaking a foreign language to those who can understand you, but you better not forget WHY you are doing it.

Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.-- 1 Corinthians 14:13
Now we are talking about the fact that the Frenchman speaker does NOT actually understand the English that he has miraculously been given the ability to speak.

For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.-- 1 Corinthians 14:14
Our spirit maketh utterances that we do not understand anyway. Likewise a foreign language.

What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.-- 1 Corinthians 14:15
It is better to understand your own words.

Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?-- 1 Corinthians 14:16
None of the French boys can say Amen if you are speaking English.

For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified. --1 Corinthians 14:17
If you thank the Lord in English, the French boys get no benefit.

I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all: --1 Corinthians 14:18
I (Paul) was blessed to be given the (onetime?) ability to speak in a language he knew not (for the benefit of those who DID know it, [even if they were unbelievers]).

Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown -- 1 Corinthians 14:19
Speak in French, dumb-ass, you are in Clermont, surrounded by French believers.

Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.
-- 1 Corinthians 14:20
Grow up.

In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord -- 1 Corinthians 14:21
Even though the Lord performed a miracle and every man heard IN HIS OWN LANGUAGE (Acts 2:6), they still did not believe the gospel.

Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.-- 1 Corinthians 14:22
In Acts chapter 2:22 Peter said Ye men of Israel…” (he was speaking Hebrew, Aramaic) (and ye men of Judaea 2:14) and he explains the tongues miracle in other languages that just happened (because they asked him to). He explained that it was a fulfillment of the prophet Joel and then the men of Israel only and only some them heard his speech and were “pricked” and they believed because he prophesied to them (the believers). Only a believer can receive prophesying (due to the work of the Lord via His Spirit).So, the tongues were a sign to the unbelievers, who will burn in hell because it was not enough, and they will be found guilty of having NO faith.

If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?-- 1 Corinthians 14:23
Don’t waste your time on “tongues.”

But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all:
 -- 1 Corinthians 14:24
 Let everybody in the church give the message that Peter gave (in Acts 2) and it was AWESOME!!!

And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth. --1 Corinthians 14:25
The unbeliever will be “pricked” also just as in Acts 2 (because he is one of God’s elect) and he will become a believer when the Spirit DRAWS him through the use of the Word.

How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.-- 1 Corinthians 14:26
Build up the believers in the truth.

If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret. -- 1 Corinthians 14:27
But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
-- 1 Corinthians 14:28
Use LANGUAGES sparsely.

Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge. -- 1 Corinthians 14:29
Prophesying is shared, no one knows all.
Notice the preacher ain’t where the truth is.

If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.-- 1 Corinthians 14:30
Your brother may know something, so, hush.

For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.-- 1 Corinthians 14:31
Each has something to give, [if he has an experience with the Lord.]

And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. --1 Corinthians 14:32
Each brother is subject to another in that the SPIRIT is our teacher.

For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.-- 1 Corinthians 14:33
The SPIRIT does not confuse us.

But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.-- 1 Corinthians 14:38
However, it is NOT up to us to correct a man’s ignorance, the Spirit will work on Him, if he is one of His.  Don’t press it. The spirit convicts. Only by conviction can we be taught.  Being “pricked.”

Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues. -- 1 Corinthians 14:39
Seek first to prophesy, but, if someone can speak “English”, don’t stop him. However, if he “gloss-o-BULLS”; I’d rebuke him...

Let all things be done decently and in order.-- 1 Corinthians 14:40
 In a decent and orderly manner.

REPLY from READER

--- This is a start.... i still have some questions... here is one of them:

Only a believer can receive prophesying
Presumably, that is what is understood from v. 22.  That is certainly what *I* thought v. 22 meant.
But then I read v. 24.

I dont understand how to reconcile the statement "prophesy is for believers not unbelievers" in v. 22
with the reaction of the unbeliever to prophesy in v. 24.

Any ideas on that?

ANSWER

All believers have been at some point unbelievers. In verse 24 the whole local church (of existing believers), having been encouraged to prophesy as a priority,  uniformly witness to a then unbeliever.  The unbeliever benefits when he receives the truth and thus becomes a believer. It is more like "prophesying benefits those who are to become believers."  It is seems to be more of a strategic than tactical statement.   (This is the equivalent of saying that only the elect among the then unbelievers will respond to the Word of God and believe.)  No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him...  John 6:44


PS - The real reason the Pentecostal movement came into existence is to smooth out the diferences between Catholicism and Protestantism.  Since Catholicism teaches you become worthy of salvation as a result of the inner workings of the Spirit, then, you can see how the emphasis on the Spirit (Pentecostalism) can lead to such an ecumenical result.  One other comment about Pentecostalism - ...when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, ... he will NOT SPEAK OF HIMSELF....
John 16:13.   In other words, the role of the Spirit is not to focus attention upon Himself, but, he shall glorify ME (Jesus Christ)... John 16:14

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Another Question

What do you think ... Please read these articles and tell me what your take is on this issue. I find it very disturbing. Also, what do you think of PM Blair's remarks on the attacks in London being an "evil ideology" and not a "Clash of Civilisations"?
 http://cuttingedge.org/detail.cfm?ID=952
And this? http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2005/090705bombingexercises.htm

ANSWER
The first is a link to a book called Behold a Pale Horse by William Cooper.  I read it more than 10 years ago and I still have it in my library.  I never finished reading the book, however, due to the fact that it is hard to read.  The reason for this is that the book does not synthesize information; it just presents information.  There is no way for me to know the motives behind anyone's book, including Cooper.  However, most of the "conspiracy" websites and books are of the anti-USA (or at least anti-USA government) variety.  If the statements of Malachi Martin concerning the struggle for World Dominion are true, would not there be Vatican sponsored anti-USA websites,  even websites referring to the USA as Babylon the Great?  In the edition (entitled "Memorial Edition") I have of the Cooper book there is a fold out in the back showing the CFR/Trilateral Commission at the top of the "World Order" heap.  Where is the Vatican?  I don't see it.  Was this chart added later?  Regardless of what William Cooper intended with the book, others can use the book for their own purposes, like undermining our society.

From Cooper's book, "Like it or not, everything is changing.  The result will be the most wonderful experience in the history of man or the most horrible enslavement that you can imagine.  Be active or abdicate, the future is in your hands."
- William Cooper, Oct 24, 1989

The future is not in our hands.  It is in the hands of the Lord only.  I have said before that if they want the New World Order, they can have it.  My hope is not in this world.  There are various plans for the New World Order and there are plans to achieve it.
Those that try to stop it are going to help bring it about and that tactic is part of the plan.  Conflict breeds changes.  If they can convince "patriots" to take up arms, they would love it.  I question all websites which purport to stop "conspiracies", especially while claiming to be "Christian."  Let me repeat - opposing "conspiracies" is promoting the New World Order.  We know from the Bible that there is a conspiracy - Satan is the god of this world.  His angels are controlling and influencing powerful men who actually believe they are in charge.  Is our national sovereignty being sold out for big corporate profits?  Absolutely.  Is the Federal Reserve Bank a private institution making profits for its owners?  Yes.  Are members of congress and the president bought and paid for by big money interests?  No doubt.  Are the new trade agreements (some already implemented) designed to ultimately destroy the middle class in the US?   They will eventually.  Does the Bible say we will have (in effect) martial law?  Yes, it does.  Am I worried about it?  I am concerned that many do not believe the Bible, their only hope.   The rest I put in the hands of the Lord. 

Now, from the second link above, we read-

POWER: At half past nine this morning we were actually running an exercise for a company of over a thousand people in London based on simultaneous bombs going off precisely at the railway stations where it happened this morning, so I still have the hairs on the back of my neck standing up right now.

HOST: To get this quite straight, you were running an exercise to see how you would cope with this and it happened while you were running the exercise?

POWER: Precisely, and it was about half past nine this morning, we planned this for a company and for obvious reasons I don't want to reveal their name but they're listening and they'll know it. And we had a room full of crisis managers for the first time they'd met and so within five minutes we made a pretty rapid decision that this is the real one and so we went through the correct drills of activating crisis management procedures to jump from slow time to quick time thinking and so on.

My comment about this is that it is not surprising because the exact same thing has already been reported concerning 9-11.  To wit, there were FIVE (5) exercises going on the very day of 9-11. We know that FEMA arrived in New York City on 9-10-2001, by admission from their own spokesman.  One of the remaining 4 exercises was a plane being used to crash into a building, another was hijacking.  We know that it was known that there was a hijacked plane at 8:20 AM (per FAA and/or NORAD) and we know that the Pentagon was attacked at 9:38.   How did one hour and eighteen minutes elapse, since there are already in place intercept rules for engaging hijacked or off course aircraft?  How long does it take an F-16 to fly from Andrews Air Force Base to the Pentagon? These intercepts have taken place numerous times over the last 20-30 years.  The Russian general in command of their air defense was quoted as saying that intercepts would have been performed in 2 minutes.  There is a book out (Crossing the Rubicon) (and it is reported elsewhere) that states "radar inserts" were made to appear on FAA screens as a part of the exercises on 9-11.  In addition, you had the confusion of the hijacked aircraft turning off their transponders.

Reports have the "Bridge Phones" open at 8:40 or so. (The "Bridge Phones" connect the Pentagon, White House, pilots, FAA, NORAD, etc, if I understand this correctly.  For example, the Situation Room can talk directly to pilots.)  How can the President of the United States be advised of an attack (or something else) around 9:06AM (after the Bridge Phones are already opened) and he just continue to sit and read a pet goat story to children?  He's on TV, isn't the Secret Service concerned he might be attacked?  If the Bridge Phones were already open, he already knew there was a hijacking in progress. How can a plane reportedly circle Washington and attack the Pentagon after an hour has expired since the Bridge Phones were opened?   There are reports that one of the generals who testified at the Congressional hearings on 9-11 was asked "Who was in charge of these 5 exercises?"  His reported response was "No comment."   None of the witnesses were under oath at the 9-11 commission.  Why not?   If you were a senator, what would you do if your question was handled this way? (If you were a senator, you would have already been told how it is to be handled, if you want to stay in office.)

There are many other anomalies with 9-11,  like witnesses who saw Flight 93 being shot down by an apparently unmarked aircraft.  How is it that 2 Frenchmen were recording a documentary of a New York City Fire Department Unit which was called to investigate a "gas leak" at the very spot over which the first plane flew directly and could be filmed, audio and video?  There was no "gas leak."  I was given a copy of this DVD for Christmas and watched it, gruesome. It tracks the chaos experienced by the Fire Department for the entire morning into the Tower and out.  How is that on Friday and Monday preceding 9-11 there was over a 100 fold increase in the volume of "put" options in airline stocks on the exchanges?  (A "put" is an option profiting from a decline in the value of the underlying stock).  Where are the results of the investigation into who did this?

So, do I believe the President of the United States is in charge of a "conspiracy?"  No, but, he is a puppet (because all presidents are); whether or not he is a good actor, I have no clue.  Even these documentaries on TV about the president's "Christianity" are being used against the country and "fundamentalists."

Do I believe there has been a struggle between the Pentagon and the CIA?  Yes.  Do I believe that attempts to "improve" intelligence actually have within them elements to undermine intelligence?  Yes.   Do I believe that the US intelligence community has within it (at some levels via contracts, contacts, sources, infuences, politics, etc) enemies of the sovereignty of the country?  Yes.  Do I have believe the normal relationship between the White House, Pentagon, and intelligence community was hijacked after 9-11?  Yes.  Do I believe that our knowing all these things is deliberately allowed?  Yes, there is deliberate information overload on "conspiracies."   This creates disinformation and incredulity, the more outrageous the "conspiracy" the better.  Will the conservatives be blamed?  Yes, the conservative "Christians" are being blamed already and the "liberals" will end up ruling.  When the "liberals" replace their despised Dubya, they will be faced with even worse losses of liberty.

Our "religion" is used against us (politically) to deceive us now into backing bad policy.  I will never forget my surprise when on April 20, 1993, President Clinton said that Federal agents need to be better prepared to deal with future Branch Davidian Waco types, we undoubtedly will "have to do this again," Clinton said.  I just did not understand what he meant at the time.  Many elitists believe that they will have to eliminate bad elements that will oppose the World Order, such as fundamentalists.  (read that link about the meaning of Tragedy and Hope).

What is behind all this?  Ambition, money, power, and self promotion from a corporate and individual standpoint.  You can always find people willing to help you if you give them power, money, recognition, and so forth.  You can (knowing peoples' motives, good and bad) use their motives to gain their support. Just appeal to their motives. (You can even put people in office that you know will act in a predictable manner under certain circumstances.  Later, when convenient, you can even write them up in your conspiracy book, just to "prove" how bad America is.)

So, do I believe "conspiracy" websites?   Some of their information is true, but their primary purpose is to inflame.  It is not just the information you present, but HOW you present it.  Much of "conspiracy" reporting is designed by the reporters to achieve a more strategic position for their masters.  Keeping up with the parties became increasingly difficult after Vatican II and the 1960s.  You need a program to tell who is who. I seldom read any "conspiracy" websites and certainly not on a regular basis (because I have already read the last chapter of the book, Revelation and Daniel 11:36- chapter 12).  Will there be a World Order? No question about it, because the Bible says so and it will not fall out of the sky on the day after the rapture.  Consequently, this necessitates that a "conspiracy" occur.  I do believe one thing and that is this - they are all working together toward a "Global Order."   Forget Democratic and Republican distinctions, they are one and the same when it comes to a "Global Order."  It would not surprise me also if the Vatican had coopted both the CIA and the KGB.  We also know that the mujahideen of Afghanistan were trained and financed by the United States and the CIA to fight the Soviets.

Since there are so many websites devoted to conspiracy theories (especially those supposedly perpetrated by the United States), I make this observation - remember, an intelligence operation can be against the United States White House instead of by the United States White House.  So, when you try to oppose the "conspiracy", you actually make the "conspiracy" successful.

--

Now as to the quote of PM Blair-

"It is not a clash of civilisations. All civilised people, Muslim or other, feel revulsion at it. But it is a global struggle. It is a battle of ideas and hearts and minds, both within Islam and outside it," ...
"This is the battle that must be won. A battle not just about terrorists' methods but their views. Not just their barbaric acts but their barbaric ideas. Not only what they do but what they think, and the thinking that they would impose on others," he added.
The Prime Minister rejected the "almost devilish logic" behind the claims of Islamic militants that they are acting in the cause of the Palestinian, Afghan or Iraqi people. Mr Blair said: “We should lay bare the almost devilish logic behind such manipulation."
"Why, if it is the cause of Muslims that concerns them, do they kill so many with such callous indifference?"
He stressed that it would be a "misunderstanding of a catastrophic order" to think that changing policy would change the terrorists’ behaviour and insisted that “fanaticism” had to be challenged head-on.

The prime minister is saying it is not a Clash between Muslims and Westerners, but a Clash between "civilised people" and "fanatics."  This is precisely what I have been saying is the purpose of the Clash of Civilizations, war on "fanaticism."  (read the link and the quotes from the original Huntington book.)  "Fanaticism" will encompass anyone with a "narrow" literal "book" based belief system, Muslims and Christian fundamentalists.  What (theoretically) we think and what we (theoretically) want to impose on others will eventually be illegal.  This is true, in spite of the fact that we don't want to impose anything on anyone.  After the rapture there will be believers who then turn to the Lord.  They will be treated as "fanatics" when they try to separate themselves from the world at large.  They will be found guilty of "child-abuse", "brain-washing", imprisonment, kidnapping, etc.  The Patriot Act says "dangerous to human life".  "Dangerous to human life" could be mental. Waco is an example of the perceived fanaticism of the "Christian" variety, even though a lot of evidence indicates they did nothing illegal.

End 07-17-2005


07-28-2005

QUESTION:

Hello there!!

I believe very much in Jesus Christ, and i am currently in the process of coming to understand that I am Nothing and submitting my will completely to His Will is the way to true happiness.

When I read some of the content on your website, basically your father's letter and the page you call the closest thing to your
testimony.. I felt the Spirit and felt that you are a man who is on the path.

However, as I went more through your website, I started feeling like is was less "right"... and I wanted to clarify what you were saying.  From what I understand, you were saying that Since Christ is the only way by which we are saved (which is true), then everything we do is unimportant.  In other words, if you believe in Christ (What, by the way, exactly signifies someone who "believes" in this sense?) Then you are saved regardless.

Does this mean that during your life you can be lazy, you can overeat, you can be mean to others, etc;... etc... and as long as you "believe" and understand that you are incapable of doing anything on your own to be saved, then why try?

My feelings tell me that you don't agree with the above statement, and I am writing to see if my feelling is right?  Because your website tends to lead the reader that direction.

So I guess bascially, I'm asking...   Is there a certain way that I person should live, how should they spend their time, how should they
treat others, etc...  in order to saved?

Also, are you saying that some people are pre-destined to be saved (regardless of how they live their life), and other are predestined to be damned?

Thanks,

Heather


ANSWER:

However, as I went more through your website, I started feeling like is was less "right"... and I wanted to clarify what you were saying.  From what I understand, you were saying that Since Christ is the only way by which we are saved (which is true), then everything we do is unimportant. 

Nothing we DO or refrain from doing can change our salvation. 

Additionally, all good works are produced by the spirit of God, not by self initiation.   We are to wait on the Lord to seek His initiation.  What is useless is self-initiated work.  Further, unless a man has been radically dealt with by the Lord, a man will not exhibit God’s power (because the “flesh” is in the way.)  Therefore, the man can do no good work  using his own natural resources.

Obviously I believe in doing some “work” in that I am maintaining the website.  However, I do it out of JOY because of what He has done and is, not by any sense of OBLIGATION. 

I do not feel burdened or incapable of living up to the Lord’s expectations because it is HE, not I, that works.  In my daily goings I never forget my SIN (singular, see Psalm 51; note this is not “transgressionS” also in Psalm 51).  SIN is the natural tendency to not hear or understand or follow the Lord.  I readily admit this and move on.  Never am I disappointed in myself.  It is not about me.  I just do not expect “self” to produce anything.  Why?  The Bible tells me I have NO ABILITY to do this and I BELIEVE THE BIBLE.  You do the same – BELIEVE THE BIBLE on God’s view of us and the Biblical presentation of HIS EXALTED being.

Those who are constantly disappointed in themselves have a FALSE expectation of themselves.  They believe a lie.  If they admit their SIN, they can move on in truth.  We SAY we are saved by grace, but often we ACT like we don’t need grace.  What is wrong with us?  How can a righteous (proud) man be saved by grace?  Only sinners are saved by grace and then they are DECLARED righteous.  Grace first, then righteousness. 

Now righteousness is not a thing.  Righteousness is a person – JESUS CHRIST.  He is made unto us wisdom, righteousness, period.  HE is our righteousness.  Once you have HIM, you have EVERYTHING.  Let us act like we believe this, instead of adding things to HIS work.  He is the author and FINISHER of our faith.  Let HIM add “things.”

It is the inner change in man (not an outer change in man) that elicits good “works.”  Religion tries to change man on the outside and never deals with the TOTAL DEPRAVITY of man on the inside.  This is man’s TOTAL INABILITY to follow God without His Spirit.  We have NO IDEA of the depths of the nature of fallen man.

At the same time there is no way I can contain myself in this “work” either.  Why?  because the joy and excitement I have for the Lord and His Word is deep, abiding, and beyond my ability to describe.  It is overflowing!!   My cup runneth over and because of this His yoke is easy and His burden is LIGHT.  All GLORY to the LORD JESUS CHRIST and praise His Name forever!!!  What love He has for me!!  He planned to save me and HE actually DID save meThe Alpha and the Omega saved my sorry ---.   He patiently persuaded me, He taught me and opened my mind, He lovingly convinced me by moving my spirit, my will, and my soul with the sword of the Spirit (His Word) and the Comforter (His Spirit) to gladly, freely, and thankfully accept Him on His own terms.

In other words, if you believe in Christ (What, by the way, exactly signifies someone who "believes" in this sense?) Then you
are saved regardless.

Regardless of what?  Works?  Not by might, nor by power but by my Spirit saith the Lord.  (Zech 4:6).  Any work is therefore produced by the Lord, not us.  Touch not, taste not, handle not…  Why are ye subject to ordinances???   Set your affections on things above.. Col 2:20 – Col 3:2.  If you SEEK the LORD with your whole heart, you will not be able to contain the “works.”  This includes the “work” of being QUIET…

Question- are you relying on the death, burial, and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ (PLUS NOTHING ELSE) because you are a wretched sinner and are COVERED in filthy rags?  Why are you still focused on works?  Isn’t the Bible’s statements about our utter hopelessness apart from Jesus truth enough for you?  Every man at his best state is ALTOGETHER VANITY.

Does this mean that during your life you can be lazy, you can overeat, you can be mean to others, etc;... etc... and as long as you "believe" and understand that you are incapable of doing anything on your own to be saved, then why try?

There have been saved people that killed and imprisoned other believers – example Paul.

Is he any less saved?  I say again – THOU HAST MADE ME GLAD THROUGH THY WORK.  I WILL TRIUMPH IN THE WORKS OF THY HANDS. Psalms 92:4

Then why try (to save yourself), as you ask?  I could not have said it better. 

Now we are HIS WORKMANSHIP created IN Christ Jesus UNTO good works which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. Eph 2:10.  We “walk” in HIS WORKMANSHIP.  How hard is that?  EXTREMELY because we can not give up the notion that we are NOT GOOD, NOT ONE OF USOnce God breaks us of this attitude of pride, we can humbly RECEIVE the FREE GIFT OF SALVATION and FALL INTO THE HANDS OF THE   L I V I N G  GOD!!

Now why try (to do good works) as you ask?  I do not have to try.  The trying is provided me also.  All my motive for trying is GIVEN me.  It is out of a sense of AWE and GRATITUDE for being GIVEN MERCY, praise the LORD!! 

Want to ENTER His GATES???  Enter into His gates with thanksgiving and enter into His courts with PRAISE!!  (Getting to FIRST base is through thanskgiving.  Moving into communion is through knowledge of HIS GREATNESS..  Worshiping God is done when one is in the PRONE position.  FALL INTO HIS HANDS!!)

My feelings tell me that you don't agree with the above statement, and I am writing to see if my feeling is right?  Because your website tends to lead the reader that direction.

So I guess bascially, I'm asking...   Is there a certain way that I person should live, how should they spend their time, how should they treat others, etc...  in order to saved?   (Believe on the LORD JESUS CHRIST and thou SHALT be Saved!!!)  Seek the LORD Himself with your whole heart, not something from the LORD.  Seek the MAN Jesus Christ!!!!  BELIEVE he is at work in you!!!!!  Receive SALVATION!!!  

 I dare you to ASK the Lord Jesus Christ to TEACH YOU..  Eat that book in front of you.  Those words ARE life. 

Now, I ask YOU this question – how can a sinner saved by grace look down on another?  How can a sinner (who is thankful to the Lord and has seen His glory and been made to DRINK THE WINE OF ASTONISHMENT) willingly, stubbornly spend his life in contempt of men?  Once you are dragged through the birth canal your head is MASHED flat.  Your will is bent.  Only an ignorant man is condescending.  So, would I start by joining Kiwanis Club?  Or would I go into my closet and beseech the Almighty to teach me the truth?  Once you are taught by the Almighty, everything else falls into place.

Also, are you saying that some people are pre-destined to be saved (regardless of how they live their life), and other are predestined to be damned?

All sinners deserve to go to hell and all sinners whose sin is not covered by the blood of Jesus Christ will go to hell because God is a righteous God and in His presence there can be no sin. If God chooses to harden the heart of the Pharaoh, who are we (clay) to argue with the potter? (Romans 8-12).  All sinners (including us) have not and will not beat on the door and seek the Lord Jesus Christ because we are too busy justifying ourselves with our works (or we are holding the Lord Jesus Christ in utter contempt).  "Surely we can’t be sinners," we say.  No man can come to me except the Father which hath sent me draw him – John 6:44  The natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God, neither CAN he know them, for they are spiritually discerned. So, lest the Lord moves on a man and brings him out of darkness, the man will not be saved.  Why?  Because man has no ability whatsoever to overcome his sinful nature and believe the real GOSPEL of Jesus Christ (which condemns the man).  A man has to be NEAR hell fire in order to believe the Lord and NO ONE will go there on his own accord.  He has to be BROKEN, SNARED, TAKEN.

Can you command the Lord, the Holy Righteous Almighty, to save these unrepentant sinners?  Are these unrepentant sinners climbing a ladder to seek repentance?  Are these sinners knocking down the gates of heaven to confess that they are wretched?  Is He not a sovereign king and beside Him is there any other?  Before the foundation of the world HE DECIDED, HE PURPOSED, and HE ACTED to save some poor sinners for His glory.  My suggestion is that we PREACH THIS TRUE GOSPEL TO ALL MEN.  To those who ignore it, hell awaits.  To those who RECEIVE mercy – kingship and priesthood await in the Light of His Glory and presence forevermore.  Glory to the Lord!!

As many as were ordained unto eternal life believed.  Acts 13:48  How great is the Love of the Lord for His children whom He calls to repentance.  Seek the Lord now while He may be found, for today is the day of salvation. 

End 07-28-2005


08-07-2005

Exchange with a Reader

READER
I know what all the Scriptures say but how do we know that those who John saw coming out of the Great Tribulation period are the current Saints of God alive today?  There is nothing that says, "Tribulation Saints are those who were left behind" although we can make that assertion.


ANSWER
By definition, when we say pre-trib, post-trib, or mid-trib we are referring to the timing of the removal of the church from the earth.  See this page showing 29 reasons for a pre-trib rapture: http://jesus-is-the-way.com/Rapture.html

Because the true church is kept from the HOUR of temptation, Rev 3:10, then, by definition, the true church can not be those saints that came out of great tribulation (Rev 7:14).  Being kept from the HOUR is significant in that it is not being kept from the temptation itself.  The temptation is of course the mark of the beast.   If we were being kept from the temptation (and not the hour) we would be present.  However, since we are kept from the HOUR, we will not be present.  It is also understood then that these saints
are NOT currently saints of God.  They are alive today most probably, but they are not saints.  All the saints of today are in the church. Some professing church members are not members of the true church. See Rev 2:22. These false Christians are cast into the tribulation.

READER
I mean if I was to have a discussion with a mid-tribulation believer, how could I effectively show them with 100% guarantee that the RAPTURE WILL OCCUR BEFORE THE TRIBULATION, that there IS A RAPTURE, & that there IS A 7 YEAR TRIBULATION PERIOD?  No where in the Bible does it talk about 7 years.  Daniel talks  about WEEKS, time-and-times-and-half-of-times, and Revelation talks about this as well, but how can we conclude that this means 7 Year Tribulation Period?

ANSWER

Have you read this page? http://jesus-is-the-way.com/Endtimes927.html

This page demonstrates the logical necessity of a 7 year tribulation based upon the scriptures.  Now that you have a 7 year tribulation and a clearly identified MID-point of the tribulation and various events logically necessarily occurring in the 2nd half and at least one event logically necessarily occurring in the 1st half of the 7 years, we can clearly say that the Bible teaches a 7-year tribulation.   The Bible clearly talks about 70 "weeks" of 7 years each by virtue of the already established length of time for the 69 "weeks."  Not to mention that the words of Jesus in Mathew 24:15 clearly establishes the middle of the Daniel's 70th "week" which matches exactly to the revealed lengths of time described in Revelation and in Daniel that make up the halves of the week. See
http://jesus-is-the-way.com/Endtimes927.html#2520Days

Since we are kept from the hour of temptation and since a specific portion of the temptation occurs after the mid-point of the tribulation, we must necessarily be raptured at least before or at the midpoint of the tribulation at the latest.  Now, since the characterization of Daniel's 70th week is "wrath" and "trouble", how can part of it be characterized as NOT "wrath" and "trouble?"  The seals are opened and the "trouble" begins (of that there can be no question).  Secondly, that the coming of Christ would
be imminent (that is unexpectedly sudden) there can be no doubt.  If that be the case, then this must refer to the rapture of the church because the physical return of Christ will be clearly known when the 70th week commences and the 2 witnesses begin to preach.  How can His Coming be a surprise to anyone if it occurs EXACTLY 1260 days (or 2520 days) from the day the 2 witnesses begin to preach?  The only way His Coming as a thief in the night can be possible is if it precedes the preaching of the 2 witnesses and
Daniel's 70th week.

Further, when discussing these topics people forget to start at the beginning - the Abrahamic Covenant.  By failing to do this confusion reigns as to Bible interpretation and application to Israel and the church.  God will create a nation as the sands of the sea and as the stars of heaven through His promise to Abraham.  The sands and the stars are distinct people.  One can not start dealing with the "sands" and still be dealing with the "stars."  In other words, if you take a position of mid-tribulation, who are the people in the first half of the tribulation, "stars" or "sands"?  (Gen 22:17)  More specifically, once Daniel's 70th week begins, the Lord will have resumed dealing with Israel, because He will have already finished the church.  The church is declared by Paul to be a mystery.  This mystery included both believing Jews and Greeks during the "church age."   When the program of the church began at Pentecost, the
program with Israel had already been interrupted (upon the triumphant entry of Christ into Jerusalem, and His subsequent rejection by Israel).  If Jews and the Church are being dealt with simultaneously, where is the mystery of the church?  Also, if the church is present, how can 144,000 be saved into the Church and remain on earth as witnesses if they are removed at the mid-tribulation?

The church can not and will never be divided.  It is clear also from Rev 7:14 between the 6th and 7th seals that the saved come out of "great tribulation."  This clearly shows that the time of all the seals is part of the "tribulation."

End 08-07-2005


10-01-2005

READER WRITES

Hello Russell,
I came across your website last night and I certainly am impressed with the amount of information on here and the fact that I finally found a website where I can go for understanding of the events that will take place.  Obviously the ultimate source is the Bible, the Word is God and God is the Word, but it's good to know that I can look else where to back up the truth.  Thank you for all you hard work and study.
This is why I have come to you with a bizarre event that took place with a friend of mine (she is a believer as well as I am).
She has wrote her story in a message board and I will copy and paste what she wrote..her story in her words.   Any thoughts, comments, Scripture will be most appreciated from you. This is her Story.
 

Greetings,
I received your website address from a friend after sharing with her what a man told me while on a recent business trip. I'm not even sure if the information is real...moreless what to do with it. He told me that next month "October is going to be a month of catastrophic events" and that's just the beginning. He told me to write the dates down and when I hesitated he handed me a pen and in a somewhat firm tone, said write what I'm going to tell you down...so I did. There was so much to the conversation as well as the words he used and his eyes...I'm going to give it you to in a "nutshell". I was going to keep it hush until after the 1st or maybe the 2nd sign...but now I'm feeling that if he is right I would be responsible for millions of lives...I do want e! veryone to know that I did pressure him for his source...he said once you are out of Florida (I live in Florida) call me (he then gave me him number) and I'll tell you my source and what will happen next. There is so much he said,,,but I'm going to share the warning. If this sounds like something to this group....let me know and I'll share what I remember of my time with him...I figure that this group may know how to deal with this information.

October 6,7,8 2005 - There will be a earthquake in the Midwest states.
October 16,17,18 2005 - Volcanoes will erupt in the Northwest.
October 23,24,25,26 1005 - There will be a hurricane like no other hit Florida.
He told me that I! 'll have 2 signs before the hurricane and that I need to go as far north as I can get. He said this is just the beginning and that it's over....life as I know it.

So group I've given you the information. Not sure what else to do except to write down the other things he said in case they are also important...things about the collaspe of our entire system. It's very odd information I know....one other thing directly related to this part of our discussion. He said you don't have to believe me...you'll see for yourself soon enough...the truth just is and there is nothing you or I can do about it.
Please let me know what you think...because I don't know what to think or do.

 

These events truly happened to her and our thoughts are...this guy is either a wacko or is this a message from God?  She has spoke with him since and he is still sticking to his story.  He was saying these events are warning signs.  So she should get 2 confirmations, right?  That is if this is a actual message of God?  I would much appreciate your input.  Thank you so Much

 

Sue


ANSWER


Sue, thank you for your email.
First of all, Sue, there are only two sources of information – one is deceiving spirits.  The Bible says that deceiving spirits will abound during the tribulation, saying things like Christ is here, etc.  One tactic of seducing spirits will be to hook people with “some” modicum of truth and later, when they are following completely, lead them into destruction.  The odds that the information you have falls into this category are great. <> 

Consequently, I follow no “prophets” because (apart from some confirmation that they are pointing people to salvation in Christ) 99.99% of the time these “prophets” and their sources are demonic.  The main question here is - what is the PURPOSE of the information?  Forget about the fact that it might turn out to be true.  If it does turn out to be true, what will people DO with the SOURCE of the information after the fact? 

I do find the dates interesting.  See my web page-

http://jesus-is-the-way.com/Dan9_27_2.html

See the update for 9-24-2005.

I will say this – as soon as the rapture occurs, whenever that is, it WILL be followed soon thereafter by catastrophic events.  Could October of 2005 be the time of the rapture?  I have already asked the question on the above web page.

The question (for those who remain) is this – WHO will they believe?  The already revealed Word of God or the seducing spirits?    There will be many EXPLANATIONS available from which to choose.

http://jesus-is-the-way.com/TheChoices.html

Russell


End 10-01-2005


10-01-2005 (part b)

READER ASKS

Greetings,
 
Can you please direct me to where in the bible I would find information on pre-tribulation....events and possible timeline.
 
Many Thanks,
Jan

ANSWER

There are no pre-tribulational events and timeline.  
EXCEPT, maybe this Joel 2:31.  The expression used is "before the great and terrible day of the Lord come."

See this chart.

When the fig tree is young and putteth forth leaves you know that summer is nigh.  The fig tree is Israel.

Russell

10-01-2005 (part b)



10-01-2005 part c

READER SAYS
A reader reminded me of the precocious Jewish boy's predictions.  See above.
The reader says that boy predicted the following:
September/October 2005
Worldwide earthquakes - Earthquakes will shake the entire world except for the land of Israel for two months.
This was formerly on http://erevmoshiach.com/EM/Timeline.asp

RESPONSE
Erev Moshiach means the evening before the "messiah", i.e., the antichrist.  The predictions of the demonically inspired Jewish boy are the SAME as that cited by the first reader above (10-01-2005)

End 10-01-2005 part c


10-04-2005

READER ASKS

Russell,
 
I just read your article at: http://jesus-is-the-way.com/10Reasons.html and have a few ?s:
 
    1. How do you know the 'King of the North' is also the antichrist?  Is this an assumption or do you have a verse directly linking the two?
 
    2. Are you aware of James Lloyd (of the ChristianMediaNetwork) and his prediction about how the antichrist is an Egyptian?
 
    3. How do you think Revelation 17:11 will be fulfilled?
 
Thanks and God Bless,
 
- jeff


ANSWER

Jeff,
 
Regarding question #1
from page-
http://jesus-is-the-way.com/beastempire.html

START QUOTE
 Such a Kingdom [Assyria] would naturally fit the location of the King of the North in Daniel chapter 11 verses 6, 7, 8, 11, 13, 15 which all refer to the ancient Kingdom of Assyria, which occupied present day Syria and Iraq.   Starting with verse 36 of Daniel chapter 11, the scene switches to a FUTURE Kingdom and the King of the North (also the antichrist) in Daniel 11:40 is seen as answering a military push by the King of the South, Egypt.  Some surmise that the King of the North is an ally with the King of the South against the eventual antichrist. However, this seems to be false when you look at Daniel 11:42-43.  Dan 11:40 says- and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, with horsemen, and with many ships (he must have the support of the US Navy, which Iraq certainly does); and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and passover. (If this king of the north is not the antichrist, then, where does the "king of the north" go and what does he do after he conquers?  The answer to this question starts in the next verse - the king of the north is the antichrist.  Getting the correct understanding of these kings, and the antichrist, will be critical to watching the events.)

He shall enter also into the glorious land (Israel), and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.  He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape. But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.  But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many. And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him . -- Daniel 11:41-45
 
END QUOTE
 
Question #2
Never heard of Lloyd.  However, if Lloyd is correct, then, the antichrist must attack and conquer himself (since the antichrist conquers the King of the South, Egypt).  The parallel with ancient Egypt and Assyria is not accidental.  This scenario will be repeated.
 
Question #3
Rev 17:11
There are several possibilities here.
I am not married to any one of these in particular (because frankly, I don't know, since I can not absolutely eliminate some interpretations.)
The beast, antichrist, is the 8th king and is OF the 7 kings (i.e. he comes from or "inherits" the "position" of the 7 kings) and he follows chronologically the 7 kings. 
This much I believe is a correct understanding.  However, from here there can be some confusion.   Who are the 7 kings?  How does the antichrist "inherit" their "position?"  This is subject to debate.  I do not believe that the 7 kings are part of the 10 kings, however.  I also believe that the 7 kings are historical, not concurrent with the antichrist (some question this viewpoint).  Most believe that the 7 kings are the historical kings that had a relationship with Israel.
 
from the website (see above)
START QUOTE
 Now look at Revelation----

Rev. 17:9- And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
The beast (a political power) has TWO aspects - seven heads and ten horns.

The ten horns are identical to the 10 kings of Daniel.
The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sitteth (in order to control the beast as her servant and in order to be supported by the beast).

Regardless of what the seven represents, it is safe to say that it is a DIFFERENT aspect of the same beast which also has 10 “horns.”  Consequently the 7 and the 10 are NOT going to correlate mathematically.

The seven mountains could well identify that the woman is Rome because Rome is a city  on seven hills. In this sense the seven mountains are NOT the same as the seven kings (in verse 10).  It seems to me that the phrase “ and there are seven kings…” implies this position by making a distinction between mountains and kings.  So, the seven kings appear to be additional information about the beast rather than an explanation of the seven mountains.  However, the woman is a religious institution (a harlot) who controls the beast upon its rising.  In either case, the Roman nature of the beast is expressed by virtue of the woman riding the beast (not necessarily its geographic embodiment).  This woman is she who martyrs the saints. By the way, the geographic embodiment of the beast is the “leopard” (which is the body of the beast), the Grecian portion of the vision of Daniel.   See this for information on the leopard.


10- And there are seven kings; FIVE are FALLEN, and one is, and the other is not yet come; And when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

So, the seven kings could represent 7 kingdoms, apparently successive.  These would be seven kingdoms with a direct relationship to Israel:
1. Egypt, 2. Assyria, 3. Babylon, 4. Medo-Persia, 5. Greece, 6. Rome, and 7. the last kingdom (the 10-kinged kingdom).  If the seven kingdoms are correct, then, the five that had fallen in 90AD (the time John wrote the Revelation) would have been: 1. Egypt, 2. Assyria, 3. Babylon, 4. Medo-Persia, 5. Greece.  The king that “IS” would have been the then current ruler over Rome, the 6th.  The 7th which “is not yet come” (since it is a single king) must represent the antichrist BEFORE he is incarnated by Satan at the mid-point of the tribulation (rather than all 10-kings who reign BEFORE the antichrist does).  Thus, the 7th king is the antichrist at the beginning of the tribulation.


11- And the beast that WAS, and IS NOT, even he is the EIGHTH, and is of the SEVEN, and goeth into perdition.

There are many interpretations for this – some say that this “beast” is BOTH the kingdom of the antichrist and the antichrist proper (at the time the antichrist is incarnated by Satan at the mid-point of the tribulation) and the 10 kings “give” their kingdom to the antichrist.  “Perdition” would be the eventual destruction for the kingdom and the eventual judgment for the antichrist.  So, then, what is that which WAS (used to be), and IS NOT (90 AD), that will be the EIGHTH king?   Interestingly, we read that the beast that goes into perdition first ASCENDS out of the bottomless pit (the abyss)-

The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. -- Revelation 17:8

How did the antichrist get into the bottomless pit?  Remember, we are discussing the 8th king who upon ascension out of the bottomless pit is in the temple showing himself to be god.  Guess how many times the word “perdition” appears in the Bible?  EIGHT times.  The expression “son of perdition” appears twice.

1st occurrence of son of perdition:
While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition [Judas]; that the scripture might be fulfilled.    
--John 17:12

2nd occurrence of son of perdition:
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin [antichrist] be revealed, the son of perdition;     -- 2 Thessalonians 2:3

And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit .    
-- Revelation 9:1

And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.     -- Revelation 9:2

And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.     -- Revelation 9:11

Is it possible that Abaddon (Apollyon), the angel of the bottomless pit, WAS in the body of Judas Iscariot (before he went to perdition),   ascends and enters into the body of the antichrist?  This would mean he that WAS (when he was in Judas) and now IS NOT, shall ascend out of the bottomless pit.  Perhaps there is another explanation. 

One point I am trying to make here is that a kingdom (that WAS) does not ascend out of the bottomless pit.  In any case, the 8th  king is the antichrist to “continue forty and two months ” whether he is incarnated by Satan or by Apollyon or neither (and is just influenced by one).
 
END QUOTE
 
I hope this helps some,
Russell

End 10-04-2005


10-09-2005

READER WRITES

Hello Russell,
 
Thank you for your faith in Christ and ministry. May souls be added to the Kingdom.  I am believer also. I was reading some things on your site tonight.  The Lord had impressed upon me about 3 years ago, strong thoughts reg. the possib. of King Abd. being anti Christ. I think we are on the right track,  However,
 
Have you considered King Abdullah's eldest son Hussein born 6-28-94 as a stronger  candidate?  Abdullah is too old to fit the pattern - but he is no doubt grooming his son for kingship. 
 
See this website. http://www.bibletime.com/home/faq/random/index.html
The prediction of an approx time for the return of Christ is 2028,  The age of of the adult Hussein would be 34. 
 
The age of Christ and the age of anti-Christ should be similar.
 
Your thoughts?

ANSWER

Thank you for your email.
 
Do we have to wait that long (2028)?   I hope not.
I read this page http://www.bibletime.com/home/faq/daniel70/index.html?BV=KJV
from your cited webpage.  Frankly, I found it more than interesting that there are 6 applications of Daniel's 70 weeks and NONE match the conventional interpretation.
 
Witness-
So far, the applications of Daniel's 70 famous weeks have not taken account of the various divisions within the 70 weeks. Specifically Daniel's account suggests the 70 weeks are broken down into continuous parts with events happening at the intermediate points. No matter how much the previous applications are studied, it is not obvious at all that there was interesting events at the internal points. Those points of interest are inside the 70 weeks at: 7 weeks, 62 more weeks, and then a 70 week that is split into 1/2, with prophetic events happening at the start and middle of that last week.

Note clearly that there is nothing in Daniel's 70 weeks that requires it to start nor stop on dates interesting to the full end of the age. Note also that there are never any gaps in prophetic passages in the Bible, so there is not, say, a 62 week period followed by a gap before the final week.

It remained a mystery to me where we might find another application that would pick off the internal dates. I expected it on a day-for-a-year replay of the time line somewhere, but it eventually came from a far different quarter. (Which is now susceptible to a day-for-a-year replay.) Here is what I found.....:

The above makes me suspicious of the interpretations of the website.  I am not willing to condemn the site, but, failure in this regard to deal with what IS clearly revealed makes me suspicious since the site is willing to make a lot of theories about what is NOT revealed. 
 
How can the author (above) get away with such a statement? (the one underlined)  We can not allow that.  I have dealt with this subject previously and it is not because I am a genius, it is because other men have already done the work for us.  We don't need the internet to know about these things..
Quoting from my website- see  01-02-2005 (b) on this page
 
QUOTE STARTS

 Those that object to “gaps” per se are reminded of the reading of Isaiah by Jesus in Luke 4:17-20.  Jesus was reading from Isaiah 61:2 which reads to proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, and the day of vengeance of our God .  After Jesus read “ acceptable year of the Lord ”, He closed the book and stopped reading.  The “gap” in that verse has already covered 2000 years because the day of vengeance is yet to be fulfilled and Jesus was clearly indicating that “ the acceptable year of the Lord ” was fulfilled at His reading of the verse.

That there IS a gap between the 69th and 70th week is shown in –
Daniel 9:26   And after threescore and two weeks [that is, after the 69 weeks] shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary ; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined

What happens during the "gap?"  The death of Jesus on the cross and the desolation of Jerusalem.

Here we have Daniel describe the coming destruction of the temple in Jerusalem (the city and the sanctuary) by the Romans in 70AD. At this point, (after the terminus of the 69th week) there has been NO mention of the 70th week (because it has NOT commenced). However prophecy of the “gap” of 9:26 did get fulfilled.  “Desolations” for Jerusalem were indeed determined (until the restoration of the Jews to their land in the end times).  It is the “ people ” of the “ prince that shall come ” (later ) that destroy the city and the sanctuary (the “ people ” are the Romans and they came as prophesied in 70AD).  Later is  shown in the next verse (Daniel 9:27) which describes the 70th week of Daniel, the only verse in the Bible to do so.

Those that object to there being “gaps” in the seventy weeks of Daniel probably are not aware that there are FOUR “seventy week” intervals of 490 years each (all of whom have “gaps” which when properly understood are entirely exemplary of God’s dealings with Israel.)

First, from the Birth of Abraham to the Exodus is 505 years, minus the 15 year “gap” of the usurper Ishmael is 490 years.

Second, from the Exodus to the dedication of Solomon’s temple is 591 years.  However, if you subtract the “gap” of Israel’s servitude which totals 111 years, you have 490 years.
(see page 72 of Dispensational Truth by Clarence Larkin; examples- 40 years in the wilderness, the granting of Judges and Kings.)

Third, from the dedication of the temple to the edict of Artaxerxes 560 years (subtracting the 70 years “gap” of captivity) yields 490 years.

Fourth, is the 490 years being discussed as Daniel's 70 weeks.   

In EVERY CASE, time stands still in the reckoning of God when Israel is OUT of FAVOR.   They have been out of favor since they rejected “Messiah the Prince.”

QUOTE ENDS
 
I am always curious about those who ignore perfectly good work already completed (Clarence Larkin's, e.g.).  Why do they do this? Is it because everyone else's work  (until their own work is clanked on the anvil) was tainted?   I make no judgment on the site you mentioned, but, I am not willing to throw the work of predecessors in the trash can, when they fit the ABRAHAMIC COVENANT and have passed the test of time.
 
Continuing with the subject at hand, antichrist, age, etc-
There is nothing in the Bible that requires the antichrist be of a certain age.  Many say he has to be Jewish to fit the "pattern" also.
 
Many say the Bible says the antichrist IS Jewish, but, I don't believe it necessarily says that.  For years there have been theorists saying that antichrist must fit this or that pattern, but, I have made little of any "pattern" of the antichrist, instead I have tried to stick by what the Bible SAYS about the antichrist and his place of origin.
 
The website you cited is interesting.  I have started to read some of it.  It seems that your conclusion is based more on the timing cited in the website (below) than on the "pattern" of antichrist.  (I am a person that believes that the Lord does things based upon certain patterns, however.  Yet, I would not speculate on what those "patterns"  might be outside the Bible proper, when there are so many scriptural specifics given about the antichrist.)
 
Of course, I am just a watcher.  What do I know?
 
End 10-09-2005


10-14-2005

READER WRITES

Great site brother!

I was just wondering what you meant by..

One thing - the way UP is found only by going DOWN.  The FLESH rebels at this constantly.  This "one thing" is contrary to everything in our society and contrary to the very nature of man himself.

Regards,
Daniel.

ANSWER

Btw, the above can be found here.

Daniel,
Thanks for the email and I am glad you benefit from the website.
The flesh and all our society teach that we must strive to become more, to excel, to achieve, to become better, faster, ... more ___, etc.

All the above is promoting self, i.e., increasing the self, aka UP.  Even in religious expression there is this same problem, usually an even worse problem.

However, the bible says we are to DECREASE.  (He must INCREASE.)
Becoming aware of the ABSOLUTE MAJESTY AND BEAUTY OF THE SOVEREIGN ALMIGHTY GOD is part (a first step) of our DECREASING.

By the way, ONLY HE can show us this.  We can not obtain this knowledge by our own abilities which are INCAPABLE of knowing God.

Decreasing or being BROKEN by God is DOWN.
Once we are DOWN, the Lord raises us UP.  Actually the Lord takes us down, then up.  He heals that which is broken and HE broke that which is broken.

However, if we set as our objective to go UP, we will never get to UP.

The first (he who seeks UP) shall be last (actually DOWN) and the (he who is brought to) last (DOWN)  shall be first (UP).

UP can not be done by man.  It is impossible.
UP can only be accomplished by the Almighty.
DOWN is the prerequisite for UP.
Therefore those who PURSUE UP will NEVER reach it.  If you ever got to UP you would be "last."
It is good for me that I have been afflicted that I might learn thy statutes. Psa 119:171
THOU hast enlarged me (made me go UP) when I WAS IN DISTRESS. Psa 4:1

Now, we have established that the way to go UP is to first be taken DOWN.

Now, NOBODY volunteers to go DOWN.  Going DOWN is forced upon us against our will (BROKEN, SNARED, TAKEN=knocked down, tied up, dragged).  This is what is contrary to the very nature of man himself (voluntarily going DOWN).  It is, in fact, impossible for man (to voluntarily go down).  He would not, even if he could. See Isa 28:13.

Hopefully, this will help.
Russell

End 10-14-2005


12-09-2005

QUESTION

What did you mean by this?:  (referring to this page and the comment at the bottom of the 12-08-2005 update.)

Speaking of beliefs, is it possible that Israel ends up in a bad position because US leadership believes in Replacement Theology, the false belief that the church replaces Israel?

ANSWER

We know that Bible prophecy teaches that a covenant involving Israel will be a "covenant with hell"  (Isa 28:15).  It is becoming increasingly clear that Israel will be giving up land (for example, the Gaza) in order to enter into the covenant.  Israel, as the Bible predicts, will increasingly become a target.  Due to its position of leadership, the United States is in position to approve or disapprove what may befall Israel in the course of pursuing "peace."   Since the current president of the United States, Mr Bush, has been an Episcopalian and is apparently now a Methodist and since these denominations largely believe in some form of Replacement Theology, is it any wonder that the administration (apparently he has advisers of the same beliefs) would allow the diminishing of Israel?  Replacement Theology is that false belief that the church has taken the place of Israel and that the promises given to Israel now belong to the church.  Of course, the failure to make the proper distinction between the church and Israel makes prophecy study a hopeless task.

End 12-09-2005


12-10-2005

QUESTION
How do you view recent Middle Eastern events with regard to Iraq and Al Zarqawi?

ANSWER
"Zarqawi" is serving the same purpose in the middle east as "Bin Laden" did in the United States, that is, stirring the people toward the war on terror.  Additionally, his reported attacks on Jordan (the hotel bombings) enable Jordan to coopt the leadership in opposition to terrorism.

End 12-10-2005


04-01-2006

READER WRITES
Dear  friend in Christ,
 
I agree with most all your site.   I think that you appeared to leave out the necessity for baptism and the receiving of the holy ghost.    But, if I missed this then I apologize.   Also, you are not being totally truthful in saying that a person is always eternally secure in their salvation.   If a person willfully sins and never returns to God and repents, I think their salvation may be in jeopardy.   Or, if they renounce thier Christianity and become an atheist, or something, then they apparently can be lost.   Also, don't forget in Revelations that Jesus himself warned in the 3rd chapter that those able to overcome iniquity, he will not blot thier name out of the Book of Life.   There is also his warning later in Revelations not to add too or take away from the word of God...or they to will he remove from the Book of LIfe.
 
So, I don't know whether you'll buy into these things.  I think today that most people want to hear the truth, because the truth will set them free.     These are just some things for you to ponder.  


RESPONSE

So, then, i assume that you mean that this verse-
  (Eph 1:4) According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

means that those chosen before the foundation of the world can be lost?  Only the chosen can be saved and NONE of the chosen can be lost!!  End of subject.  Case closed. 

Is it possible that those you say become lost were never saved to begin with?  Many, i believe, fit this category.  Without God-generated repentance there is no salvation to start with.  These people who are simply "making a decision for Christ" are LOST (self initiated religion).

as to "baptism" - for by one Spirit are we all baptised INTO one body, baptism of the Spirit is the METHOD of entering the Church. It is the act of God to bring someone into the church.  And the Lord added to the church daily

Note- this is not H2O.  It is the act of God Almighty.  Once you are added to the church, you will never depart.  Otherwise, grace is not grace.

If H2O baptism is required, i am going to hell.  My question - if one believes H2O baptism gets it done, then, does that person understand salvation?  If one does not understand salvation, could one be lost?  My point is that there is ONE baptism.  If one is baptised INTO the church by the Spirit, would H2O baptism not mean there are TWO baptisms?

No man can come to me except the Father, which has sent me, draw him.  This TOTALLY is the work of God alone.  God's work can never fail, nor can his work be questioned.  See Romans 9:11- 20.  the purpose of God by election might stand, not of works, but of Him that calleth.

Now as to the "receiving of the Holy Ghost" -  the Holy Ghost is that which performs the work.  The work is performed ONLY upon entry of the Spirit into the believer.  Consequently, to say that, after this, one must receive the Holy Ghost is redundant and wrong.  One can not be saved without the Holy Spirit. 

Russell



End 04-01-2006


04-15-2006

A QUESTION
I believe in the pre-trib rapture.  I pray for it just about everyday.  I do have a question, and you don't have to answer.  But I have been having alot of fear, that America will go into a depression before the rapture. What do you think?  I'm very tired and have medical problems, and I'm trying to trust.  Sometimes its hard.
Thank you

REPLY
Thank you for writing.  This is a question that every believer asks in their lifetime.  I believe the question has more to do with our (your) relationship with Christ than when the rapture will be, relative to a depression in the United States.
 
I ask this question many times - Lord, I am afraid of _______, will you deliver me from it? Lord, should I take some action or should I WAIT and become dependent on you?  
 
Each believer can fill in his own fears. Your fear arises from a "situation."  "Situations" are those things that the Lord allows so that He can reveal Himself to you (if you understand that the "darkness" is for the purpose of seeing "light").  "Light" can come only to someone who "feels" the darkness (experiences the "darkness").  If you do not experience the situations, you have no need.  If you have no need, you will not call upon the Lord.  If you do not call upon the Lord to teach you and satisfy you with His mercy, you will not experience the light.  My advice - be a CHILD of God.  Us adults have a hard time being a CHILD.  Every thing in us resists it.  Everyone around us tells us to resist it.  Society tells us to BE SOMETHING.  The Bible tells us to be NOTHING (but a CHILD of God).
 
In this connection prayerfully read-
 
I believe there will be economic trouble worldwide and soon and I believe the rapture will be soon.  Whether the economic trouble comes first, I do not know.  However, the Lord has brought us this far and He will bring us the rest of the way as well.  Blessed be the name of the Lord.  Delight thyself also in the Lord and he shall give the desires of thine heart. (Psa 37:4) If i regard iniquity (follow the foolishness already in our heart) in my heart, the Lord will not hear me. Psalms 66:18.
 
God bless you and seek the Lord HIMSELF (not things) with your whole heart,
Russell

P.S. No matter what stage we are in (regarding knowledge of the Lord), it appears that we all continue to have fears and never completely trust the Lord by waiting for Him.)  It is a daily struggle.  I must admit to some progress in that I do fear greatly (for example) seeking to improve my financial situation (even by more work) because whatsoever is not of faith is sin. (Rom 14:23)

PSS.  Yes, it is VERY hard.  Added thought- Abide in Him

End 04-15-2006


04-24-2006

READER ASKS

In Faith I send this email to you.

I read a few areas of your website and feel very confused at your willingness to discredit King Abdulla in his search for peace.

You name him as a possible "antichrist" and I wonder if you have ever looked at the leaders of Israel?  They call Ariel Sharon a "man of peace" when anyone who knows history can tell you that he is trying to create genocide with the Palestinans, not mattering if they are Christian or Muslim. Even as you stated on your website, that Israel continues to use the Kurds, and even the US to do their killings, out of their own fear.  The wall they build is never going to work...anyone again who knows history can tell you that a wall has never worked.  Peace between Israel and Palestine is the only answer and God knows that Jesus will reign again in his beloved Jerusalem.

Please understand that I only wonder...for I am just God's servant and will always work in His light.

Jesus will come again in Glory....and His Kingdom will have no end.

ANSWER

Thank you for your email.  I have an appreciation for the fact that you are sending your question "in faith."   Since you are a person who also appreciates faith, naturally, you would be supportive of another's faithful activities.

Have you ever read Daniel 8:25? ..."by peace [he] shall destroy many"..  or "when they shall say peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh" (1 Thess 5:3)?  The Bible makes it clear that "peace" will be followed by destruction.  It is my role to warn people of this fact.  Those left here to experience "peace" will have to make a choice. http://jesus-is-the-way.com/TheChoices.html  Only after the tribulation will true peace come in the Person of Jesus Christ.

You said, Peace between Israel and Palestine is the only answer
I say faith in Jesus Christ is the only answer.  One makes you glad for a moment.  The second makes you glad forever.

Well, perhaps it would be helpful to know that there are very few "good guys" involved in politics in the Middle East.
Everyone is acting in his own self interest.  If I wanted to pick out the "bad guys", it would take all my time.  Identifying "good guys" or "bad guys" is not my role.

Additionally, intentions do not make one right.  The Bible is clear that the eventual antichrist will be well-intentioned.  So, he will be a "good guy." http://jesus-is-the-way.com/ACThinking.html

A lot of people question my "willingness to discredit King Abdullah in his search for peace."  More accurately, people question my willingness to "discredit" anyone,  saying "why would you discredit someone?"  Now, since the King in question is the chief Middle eastern supporter of the "covenant", why would I "discredit" anyone else?  I don't really believe that the term "discredit" is an accurate one.  For those who follow the Bible, warning the world about the impending "peace" disaster is our job.  I want people to realize what the Bible says about  "peace."

Let me ask you a question.

Would you personally be willing to promote the purported Middle East peace knowing that the Bible says that "by peace [he] shall destroy many?" For me, anyone who promotes the "peace" movement in Israel (before the Prince of Peace returns) is either ignorant of scripture or unwilling to follow the scripture as a practical matter.  If I failed to point out the "covenant ...with hell", the Bible's description of the "peace" agreement, I would be guilty of misleading people in regards to the truth.  Would you be willing to support the "covenant ...with hell" (Isa 28:15,18)?   Effectively, by "crediting" the peace efforts of the King, that is what one is doing. One must decide if he is IN the world or IN the Word.  Which does one  believe?  Will you rely upon the "peace" of men or the Prince of Peace?  And are you willing to convince other men to do the same?  There are PLENTY of men willing to "credit" the peace efforts of the King.  There is no shortage of "credit."  We are inundated with "credit." Are you upset with me because I will not make it unanimous?  Please understand that, during the tribulation, people who oppose the "covenant" will be killed and by those who believe they are doing God a service.  At that time, it will be said, "those "radical fundamentalist believers" will not go along with our "peace" program and they are the cause of our problems."  These martyrs will be known as the tribulation saints.

It is for the eternal destiny of these believers that I am writing (and anyone who will believe the truth prior to the tribulation).

God bless you and I hope this helps you to understand why,
Russell


End 04-24-2006


06-22-2006

READER WRITES IN SPANISH

respuesta a algo que llevo en mi mano derecha

hola buenas espero que este bien de salud en sus labores cotidianas ,el motivo es que tengo un problema , primero mi nonbre es cristhian el problema es que hace dos meses me aperecio unas ronchitas que dolian bastante despues de dos meses se me formo un seis esta formado con las ronchitas me preocupa esta en la mano derecha , en mi conciencia y espiritu soy una persona buena pero no perfecta e tenido unas calores extremas hasta tengo que bañarme porque siento una calor extrema,y hay muchas sombras negras que pasan a mi alrededor y olores a azufre y podrido bueno muchas gracias espero su respuesta que dios lo bendiga . bye.....

Translation of Reader's letter-

Answer to something that I carry in my right hand

Hello, I hope that you are fine and in good of health in your daily work. The reason of this mail is that I have a problem. First, my name is Christian, and the problem is that two months ago appeared to me, in my right hand, few lumps that produced me lot of pain. After two months, and in that same right hand, suddenly appeared the number six (6) and I’m worry about this phenomena.  In my conscience and in my spirit I am a good but not perfect person. I have had some extreme heats and I have even take baths because I feel an extreme heat, and there are many black shades that pass to my surroundings and scents to sulfur and rotten. Well, thank you, and I will be waiting for your answer.

That God bless you.

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RESPONSE IN ENGLISH

Dear Christian,

First of all, I want to say that this is NOT the mark of the beast of Revelation chapter 13.  This mark is not in use until the tribulation period, which has not begun.

Whether your physical problem is a physical health issue or whether your physical problem is a spiritual attack (or both), I do not know.  However, I can say that you are under spiritual attack because you do not have any assurance of salvation.  Being good or being perfect is not possible for any man.  The Bible says that there is NONE good, no not one.  We are not good. The Lord only is good.  You can NOT earn salvation, period.  No religious ceremony or act will save you. Your guilt should be thrown away. Throw it in the trash TODAY! Your guilt feelings are being used by Satan to keep you from the truth.  I can not emphasize this enough, your guilt is keeping you from knowing the truth of Jesus Christ, the glorious GospelThe truth will make you free.  Look at what the Bible says-

Though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow: though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool. Isa 1:18

The Gospel - Jesus Christ died and was buried and rose the third day.  This is the good news.  This is the love of God toward us. Listen to what God said to you-

 ...YEA (yes, yes, yes, it is true!!) I have loved thee [you Christian] with an EVERLASTING LOVE: therefore with lovingkindness have I DRAWN thee. Jeremiah 31:3

Now you, Christian, are called by this awesome love to bow before the LORD and gladly receive Him (God can use your hand or your wife or anything else He chooses to cause you to CALL UPON HIM).  Answer the Lord.  Receive His salvation. It is clear YOU NEED A SAVIOR.

Lord, I know I am a sinner.  You have shown me that ONLY YOU are good.  Oh, how much you loved ME and called me and how much I stubbornly and self-righteously resisted you.  Thank you for giving me faith in your finished work.  Thank you for
dragging me through the "birth canal" of circumstances you lovingly created to defeat me so that I could begin to know you.  You made me drink the wine of astonishment.  THOU, THOU only are my ROCK and my SALVATIONThou, Lord,  HAST MADE me GLAD through THY WORK.  Make me to stop relying on myself and my religion.  make me to stop looking on the outside life and on my hand.  Make me to look upon you only.  YOU ARE MY SALVATION.

I know there is NO way for me to get to heaven by my own works or by my own efforts; I know I am a wretch.  I know that religion is a menstrous cloth (Isa 30:22) to you, the Almighty.  I know that church ritual is a feast you hate (Amos 5:21) -  because if ANY of these things could save me, you would not have sent YOUR ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, JESUS CHRIST, TO DIE IN MY PLACEEli, eli, lama sabachthani, My God, My God why hast thou forsaken me?..... is the lonely CRYING of MY Savior, who, before the world was made, loved ME with an everlasting love.

Trying to work my way to heaven is a burden too heavy, Lord.  Take away my burden.  Even my righteousness is a filthy rag in your sight.   Thank you, Lord, for choosing me as your child.     Please show me how full of
pride I am and lead me to know you.

In Jesus' NAME and FOR HIS SAKE and HIS glory only I pray to you now.  Please, merciful Lord, receive my prayer, and have mercy on me a sinner.
Amen

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RESPONSE IN SPANISH

Querido Christian:

Primero que nada te quiero decir que lo que me comentas no es la marca de la bestia del Cap 13 de Revelaciones. Esta marca no entra en uso hasta el periodo de tribulaciones, el cual aún no ha empezado.

El que tu problema físico sea un problema de salud o un ataque espiritual (o ambos), no lo sé. Sin embargo, te puedo decir que estás bajo un ataque espiritual porque no tienes segura tu salvación. El ser bueno o perfecto no es posible para cualquier hombre. La Biblia dice que NO HAY hombre bueno, no, ni uno. Nosotros no somos buenos. El Señor (Dios) es el único bueno. Tú no puedes ganar la salvación. Ninguna ceremonia o acto religioso te salvará. Tus culpas deben ser desechadas, arrójalas a la basura HOY!. Tus sentimientos de culpabilidad están siendo usados por Satanás para alejarte de la verdad. No puedo enfatizar esto lo suficiente, tus culpas están manteniéndote alejado de conocer la verdad de Jesucristo, el glorioso evangelio. La verdad te liberará. Observa lo que la Biblia dice:

“Venid luego, dirá el SEÑOR, y estemos a cuenta: si vuestros pecados fueren como la grana, como la nieve serán emblanquecidos; si fueren rojos como el carmesí, serán tornados como la lana” (Isaías 1:18).

Del Evangelio: Jesucristo murió, fue enterrado y resucitó al tercer día. Estas son las buenas noticias. Este es el amor de Dios hacia nosotros. Escucha lo que Dios tiene que decirte.

Si (si, si, si, es la verdad!!) El SEÑOR se manifestó a mí hace ya mucho tiempo, diciendo: Con amor eterno te he amado (a tí Christian); por tanto te soporté con misericordia” (Jeremías 31:3).

Ahora tú, Christian has sido llamado por el maravilloso amor del Señor a arrodillarte ante él a recibirlo con amor (Dios puede usar tu mano, tu esposa o cualquier cosa para que lo busques). Responde al Señor. Recibe su salvación. Está claro que TU NECESITAS A UN SALVADOR.

Señor, yo sé que soy pecador. Tú me has mostrado que SOLO TU eres bueno. Oh, cuanto me has amado y llamado y cuanto de manera obstinada te he rechazado. Gracias por darme fe en tu obra divina. Gracias por arrastrarme a través del “canal de nacimiento” de las circunstancias que tu creaste amorosamente para vencerme de manera que pudiera empezar a conocerte. Tú me hiciste beber el vino del asombro. Sólo tú eres mi roca y mi salvación. Sólo tú me has dado la alegría a través de tu obra. Hazme parar de confiar en mí mismo y mi religión, hazme parar de mirar la vida exterior y en mi mano. Hazme mirar a través de tí. TU ERES MI SALVACION.

Yo sé que NO hay manera de llegar al cielo por mis propias obras o mis propios esfuerzos, sé que soy un desgraciado. Sé que la religion es como un trapo de menstruo (Isaías 30:22: “Entonces profanarás la cobertura de tus esculturas de plata, y la protección de tu vaciadizo de oro; las apartarás como trapo de menstruo; ¡Sal fuera! les dirás”) para tí, el Todo Poderoso. Sé que el ritual de la Iglesia es un banquete que odias (Amos 5:21: “Aborrecí, abominé vuestras solemnidades, y no me darán buen olor vuestras asambleas”.) porque si ALGUNA de estas cosas pudiera salvarme, tú no habrías mandado a tú único, procreado y bien amado hijo Jesucristo para morir en mi lugar. Eli, eli, lama sabachthani, Dios mío, Dios mío, porqué me has abandonado?… es el solitario llanto de mi Salvador, quien antes de que el mundo fuera creado Me amo con un amor eterno.

El tratar de seguir el camino al cielo es una carga muy pesada, Señor. Toma mi carga. Incluso mi rectitud es un trapo sucio ante tu Mirada. Gracias Señor, for escogerme como tu hijo. Por favor, enséñame cuan lleno de orgullo estoy y guíame para conocerte.

El el nombre de Jesús, únicamente por su bien y su Gloria, yo rezo a tí. Por favor, Señor Misericordioso, recibe mi oración y ten piedad de mí pecador.

Amén.

End 06-22-2006


06-27-2006

READER WRITES


Hi Russell,

Very informative web site.  Question?  What is you view of the Charismatic/Word-Faith movement and its end times role (if any)

RESPONSE

  I am glad you find the website helpful and thank you for writing.

When the spirit of truth is come he will not speak of himself. (John 16:13)  He (the spirit) shall glorify me (Jesus Christ). (John 16:14).  Since the focus of the charismatic movement is on the spirit and since the role of the spirit (per the words of Jesus) is NOT to focus on the spirit himself, but on Jesus Christ himself, then, the charismatic movement is not Biblical.

I have felt for a long time that the charismatic movement served as a force in the ecumenical movement. Specifically, the charismatic movement looks to convince the Protestants to accept the Catholic doctrine of salvation.  Since the Catholic doctrine of salvation essentially teaches that the spirit eventually makes one worthy of salvation, how far away from that concept is the “spirit” centered “religion” of the charismatics?

This “religion” is such that the “spirit” has become a “trophy” and an object to be used out of the toolbox of the charismatics.  As such, this “spirit” has become the servant of the charismatics and their self-serving “religion.”  Due to the un-Biblical presumption of the charismatics, their “spirit” now serves them in the pursuit of their fleshly agenda of self-glorification.  This situation lends itself directly to the Word of Faith movement.

The Word of Faith movement has the same modus vivendi as the charismatic movement.  The WOF movement makes the sovereign Almighty God a servant of His supposed children. By invoking the Words of God, one is entitled to expect God’s blessing (see also The Prayer of Jabez).  Since one is now morally correct (he did invoke God’s Words, right? Even in thy name, Mat 7:22-23), (and in spite of the Biblically clear concept of the corruption of the natural man, saved or not), God has no choice but to obey His children.  Since the introduction of all kinds of Bible “translations”, with all kinds of outrageous fleshly words substituted for the actual Words of God, one now has at his disposal an unlimited supply of man-made demands he can place on the Almighty.

What is the end-time purpose of the charismatic and word of faith movement?  One just looks at the uses to which it is being put.  A perfect example of the unlimited supply of self-originating demands one can place on the Almighty via all kinds of outrageous fleshly words is the Purpose Driven Life, which quotes every kind of “Bible” imaginable to serve the purpose of the ecumenical movement and men’s needs to be religiously “successful.”  Which is the purpose of God for His children?  Judgment or being a part of a mega-godly-movement?  Brokenness or participation in the Laodecian church? The Bible says the Lord shall judge His people. (Heb 10:30)  He must increase, but I must decrease is what the Bible says (John 3:30).  If we want to worship God, we can stop waving our hands around in the air and fall down on the ground and repent.

There is nothing worse than religious men who will not wait on the Lord.  These kinds of purpose driven men will one day wonder whose purpose is driving them.

Today the world is at war and the “Christian” president of the United States says it is “good versus evil.”   Talk about being purpose driven.  Frightening scenario, for the world.

End 06-27-2006

06-28-2006

READER WRITES

Hi Russell,

  I was interested in your reply to the question on WOF and charismatics. I agree pretty much with what you say about WOF, which is saying something given that I come from a Rhema background. Of course there are many people in these movements who are true believers. In fact many avoid the traps of WOF while remaining in their WOF churches. This isn't my point however as I suspect you would agree there are true believers in all sorts of movements. 

What interests me is your comments on charismatics. My problem may have to do with my understanding of "charismatic" (I live in Australia - we might use the term differently). My understanding is that all churches that move in the gifts of the Spirit are charasmatic. They may have other terms attached to them such as Evangelical etc. but the fact that they are non-cessationist makes them essentially charismatic. I have attended churches that would consider themselves charismatics that do not have the unhealthy focus on the Holy Spirit that you describe. The gifts of the Spirit are always taught with the emphasis that He (the Holy Spirit) seeks to glorify God and does not attract attention to Himself.  

I am curious as to whether its our definition of charismatic that differs or if you are a cessationist. 

Also, while I am writing to you I should mention that it may be of benefit to have a section on preterism on your site. Clearly you are not a preterist but a futurist however the preterism view of eschatology seems to be growing in strength and popularity. Many orthodox theologians (perhaps RC Sproul is the best known) hold to this view. I have read up on this view and am still in two minds (although I lean more towards futurism at the moment). I could go on but my point is that any eschatological site these days would be well served to address futurism either in support or to refute it. This is just a suggestion of course. 

God bless you

Jeff



RESPONSE

This isn't my point however as I suspect you would agree there are true believers in all sorts of movements.

Oh, yes, there are believers in all kinds of places.

. I have attended churches that would consider themselves charismatics that do not have the unhealthy focus on the Holy Spirit that you describe. 

I do not believe that glossolalia is of God.  Speaking in tongues means languages, not the gibberish I heard at an Assembly of God church in the 60s.   To me, if God wants to speak to people in a room, all of whom speak the same language, He is not going to use some other “language”, especially a non-existent “language.”   An “unknown tongue” is simply a language unknown to the hearer (because the hearer does not speak the language being spoken). Glossolalia is, quite frankly, the flesh run amok.  It has absolutely nothing to do with the Holy Spirit.  When I think of “charismatics”, I think of glossolalia.

Now, could the Lord have a man speak in another language, like German, Arabic, Chinese, Greek?  Certainly, He can do whatever He wants to do and I am not going to limit Him.  He can do a lot more than have a man speak another language, He can show a man that his thoughts are corrupt (no matter what language he is using) without uttering an audible word.  That, to me, is a feat worthy of praise.   Praise the Lord for JUDGING His people!

To me, glossolalia is refuted by the chapter reported to support it.  If a trumpet give an uncertain cry, who shall prepare himself to battle?

One other thing I think of when I think of charismatics is the “seeking of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.”   As you said, true believers are in all sorts of movements.  Now, since the scripture says by one spirit are ye all baptized into one body (a depiction of the believer’s entrance into the church), how could a believer seek the baptism of the Holy Spirit?  If he is a believer, he has already received the baptism of the spirit, else he would not be a member of the body of Christ.   Now, the spirit works on a believer, but, that is not the baptism of the Holy Spirit.  You hear “he is full of the Holy Spirit baptism.”  This generally refers to some outward manifestation and it is confusing to say the least.  It is fully intended by the charismatic to be something ADDED to the believer, clearly un-Biblical.  The Bible says that we receive the earnest (down payment) of our inheritance, the Holy Spirit.  This applies to all believers and it is not something we get later.  We get it up front.

The Bible is chock-full of admonitions which serve to diminish the self of the believer by cleaning him from the inside.  So, why is it that so many are busy proving themselves by dressing up the outside?  Considering the true corrupt sinful nature of all (including the believers) my best description of a God fearing man is this – he keeps his mouth shut because in the abundance of words there lacketh no sin (regardless of the language).

One can be full of crap in an unknown tongue.

As to preterism, I don’t plan on doing anything on this topic.  I will say this- preterism is wrong.  I’ll offer one reason- if you make the prophecy in the past, then, there is no Abrahamic Covenant to be fulfilled and whoopee the Vatican gets Jerusalem.

PS see above
End 06-28-2006


07-02-2006

READER ASKS
What do you think of this?

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/27834

Pope Forgives Molested Children

"Though grave and terrible sins have been committed, our Lord teaches us to turn the other cheek and forgive those who sin against us," said the pope, reading a prepared statement from a balcony overlooking St. Peter's Square. "That is why, despite the terrible wrongs they have committed, the church must move on and forgive these children for their misdeeds."... "As Jesus said, 'Let he who is without sin cast the first stone,'" the pope continued. "We must send a clear message to these hundreds—perhaps thousands—of children whose sinful ways have tempted so many of the church's servants into lustful violation of their holy vows of celibacy. The church forgives them for their transgressions and looks upon them not with intolerance, but compassion."

...

"For months, I feared that my boy—and the dozens of others who committed sinful acts with Father Halloran before he was moved to the safety of another parish to protect him from further temptation at their pre-pubescent hands—was going to Hell for what he'd done," Leahy said. "It's the worst feeling a mother can know. But thanks to the forgiveness of the pope, my long nightmare is finally over. He was just a boy of 8 at the time. He didn't know any better. Thank you, your Holiness, for giving my poor little Timothy a second chance at redemption."

...

"As the creep of secular humanism continues to chip away at our most sacred institutions, the Vatican has established a dangerous precedent," the priest continued. "We look to the church's authority for justice and righteousness, not politically convenient solutions that maintain the status quo. These nubile sinners should be held accountable for the damage they've done."

ANSWER

I never saw this when it came out.  Well, the day this makes any sense will be the same day that the Pope can forgive bankers for keeping money in the banks because the "nubile sinner" bankers caused bank robbery.  Or, the Pope can forgive attractive women for having caused rape to occur.  Mind boggling.  This is what can happen when men are placed on a pedestal because of their position.  The Bible warns against having men's persons in admiration because of advantage. (Jude 1:16)  It is no Biblical offense to seduce the "clergy."  That is because there is no such thing as the "clergy" in the Bible.  There is no such thing as two classes of believers and it is not just the Catholic Church which is guilty of this practice.  The Baptists do it too.  If you do not believe this, ask a Baptist preacher what happens when he walks into a room.

End 07-02-2006

07-03-2006

Several readers wrote to point out that pieces from TheOnion are merely satire and are fiction.  So, the Pope never said the above and TheOnion has a creepy sense of humor.  For a moment, judging from the quotes in the piece, it looked like some people had gone crazy.  Several people wrote to ask me to elaborate on what happens when a Baptist preacher walks into a room.  Everyone knows the answer already.  The "laymen" change their behavior as soon as the preacher walks in.  They treat the preacher different than they treat the rest of the church members.  The Bible does have "elders" and "deacons", but, it does not have two classes of believers, "clergy" and "laymen."  In fact, the Bible say "Reverend is His name" (the Lord) and "call no man your father upon this earth."   All believers have the Spirit in them and can come to the Lord equally.  Preachers do not have more or better access to the Lord.  In fact, life is very difficult for preachers and preachers' wives because they are expected by the local church to be less of a sinner than the church members.  It is a difficult and lonely burden to bear. 

Many commentators believe the rebuked doctrine and deeds of the Nicolaitines (in Revelation) refers to the "conquering of the laity (people)" by the so-called "clergy."    I don't know if that is true or false, but, we are not to have dominion over people's faith but be helpers of their joy.

End 07-03-2006

 
07-11-2006

LETTER FROM READER

The Seventy Weeks Prophecy does not refer to Jesus. they shall be fulfilled at the end as well as the verse 9:27
(question by me - do you mean all 70 weeks are yet future?)

Answer from Reader-
all 70-weeks are yet  the future. The prophecy refers to rebuilding and final destruction of Jerusalem. This city has been destroyed many times. The pronoun he in Daniel9:27 refers to the prince to come and do not to the anointed one; "and his end shall be with a flood"

RESPONSE

Daniel 9:25   Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be SEVEN WEEKS , and THREESCORE and TWO WEEKS: the street shall be built  again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 
 
        Daniel 9:26   And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.  
 
We see that the 70 weeks are,
7 weeks followed by 62 weeks followed by 1 week
 
Now Messiah is crucified after the 62 weeks, so He is crucified after the 69th week (since 62 follows 7). Consequently, 69 weeks have already happened (unless you believe Messiah is not Jesus or He will be "cutoff" in the future.
 
God bless you,
Russell

End 07-11-2006

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07-14-2006

RESPONSE OF READER FROM 07-11-2006

Christians should not be dogmatic. There is no evidence in the text to state that the passage refers to Jesús. The religious world have accepted it as a dogma; without questioning.Then you could find harmony in Daniel 9:27 . Your position in verse 9:27 is correct but you have accepted the old fable  as I once did.

MY RESPONSE

If saying that Jesus is the Messiah is dogmatic, then, I guess I'll have to be dogmatic.

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Additional information - I guess when Handel wrote his Messiah, he was referring to the antichrist or some other personage other than Jesus Christ.  Who was it of whom Handel's Messiah says "he was despised, he was despised, and rejected of men?"   Notice that at His first coming, He was "Messiah the Prince" (Dan 9:25) because He was a King in the making (whose kingship was then rejected).  Jesus Christ is Moshiach, the anointed one, and there is none other but Jesus Christ.  In fact, Christ (Christos) is the Greek word used to translate "Messiah."   Do you know another anointed one, a King in the making, who was "cutoff?"
Strong's Number 04899 matches the Hebrew mashiyach mashiyach (Strong's 04899)mashiyach (Strong's 04899)mashiyach (Strong's 04899)mashiyach (Strong's 04899)

End 07-14-2006


07-23-2006

DIALOGUE WITH READER

READER WRITES
Hi Russell
I was wondering your thoughts on this theory of "the Law of Attraction" or "the Secret"  have you heard of this and if so does this rank underneath the false prophets, so to speak?  My heart tells me yes but my good Christian friend is sharing it with me, and I am hesitant.

RESPONSE
The Law of Attraction is another bit of the prosperity gospel, a false gospel.  Not sure what The Secret is.
 
Anything that promotes the self is a false gospel.

READER WRITES
Russell-
"The Secret" basically it's a movie that just came out in April I think....here is the link http://thesecret.tv/ 
I think we will see alot of people using this method and being lead further away from The Truth.  I just wanted to see if anyone else has heard of it and i'm worried about my friend.  Thanks for your feedback.

RESPONSE
This type stuff-
" This is The Secret to everything - the secret to unlimited joy, health, money, relationships, love, youth: everything you have ever wanted. "
 
Is more of the same lie.
 
A reader sent me this quote and it is more accurate than the above:
http://jesus-is-the-way.com/Quotes.html
 
The Lord wants us to know-
http://jesus-is-the-way.com/GoodOlDays.html
 
The purpose of the above is for us to look to God himself, not health, money, relationships, youth, blah, blah, blah...
"everything you have ever wanted" will kill you for sure.

End 07-23-2006




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