After the United States Invasion/Occupation of Iraq

To Honor Jesus Christ, Glorify God, Encourage Believers, & Warn All
Est 03-18-2003 Changed 07-16-2006 part B

This information is offered with the hope that YOU can come to KNOW the Lord personally.

Note: This website is merely an observer of events and is not opposed to or in support of the decisions of men and governments.

 Our only hope is the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ for his children at the Rapture .  For others who remain after the Rapture, they will be faced with some terrible Choices .    What good does it do YOU if, having mastered prophecy, you still are LOST ?  Many "religious" people fall in this category.  The Lord will say to them "depart from me, I never knew you."   Repent, else you may be one of these.

INTRODUCTION   03-28-2003

The Bible itself is absolutely true, without error.  The accuracy of this analysis, however, depends upon

        . a proper understanding and application of the Bible
        . a proper understanding and application of history as fulfilling Bible events.

If either of these criteria is not met, then, the analysis is wrong.  However, the Bible itself is NEVER wrong, only misunderstood.  This author is no seer, no prophet; is NOT claiming any special revelation.  However, the author can read the Bible and can read the morning paper.   If you have a prayer, pray it; a message, send it; a word, give it, especially to those about whom you care .  As you see people in your daily life, just remember, we all have an eternal destiny.  The time is drawing near for the Lord's return.

If you find errors in this study, the author awaits your correction and stands ready to be corrected.  If you find information that would be helpful, let me know.  If mistakes are made on this website (about event interpretation particularly), they are left on the page for honesty's sake.  The correction is then openly made for all to see.  One of the main reasons for this website is to set an example of HOW to look at events in terms of Bible prophecy.

Since it was recently said of this website-
But in the hands of evangelical commentators, who (thoroughly at peace with contemporary imperialism) line up chronological charts about the near-term future, with authoritative pomposity linking prophecy with current Middle Eastern events [the "linking prophecy" section in red being a link to this very page] (much as the astrologer casts horoscopes with pseudoscientific precision, using snake-oil salesmanship to seduce the gullible), it becomes something quite different: a validation for ongoing war.  Luther in no way detected the Holy Spirit in it. But Bush, committed to an Armageddon-like war between the forces of good and those of evil, no doubt sees forces of good throughout this scripture, which may speak to him directly. We should all study this particular weapon, if only to better understand the minds of the president and his dead-ender followers -
I apparently am doing a poor job of expressing my position - This website does not support a preemptive invasion of Iraq, nor does this website favor "imperialism" in any sense of the word.  Nor does this website believe in any Clash of Civilizations.  Nor is this website "a validation for ongoing war"  because Jesus Himself said " My kingdom is not of this world : if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight.. " (John 18:36). The obvious implication of this statement by Jesus is that we are NOT to fight to promote His Kingdom, least of all by " imperialism ."  True believers hate war and look forward to the day when the Lord does away with war (Isa 2:4).  I have personally never been a fan of invading Iraq and neither do I know any thoughtful believers who relish the idea of "ongoing war ."

Because of this misunderstanding of the position of true believers, I have also regretted the use of the words "evil doers" and "good versus evil" attributed to politicians, including our president and so-called conservative Bible teachers. [Many of them highly visible, and not so visible, are politically coopted and are working inadvertently? with the "bad guys".  Look for these "Bible weirdos" to "prove" the gentleman's "ongoing war" thesis .]   I have warned repeatedly of thinking too highly of ourselves . I have warned repeatedly about the disaster that awaits the proud and I fear our nation is headed in that direction. When I hear some of our citizenry calling for war against all people of any religion, it makes me fearful.  I know this is not in the traditions of the America that I once knew.  When I hear us refer to another religion as "evil doers", it is no cause for celebration, but trepidation.  Do not follow men - regardless of their "religious" reputation.  Follow the Lord.  Do not get caught up in vengeance and changing the world to suit your viewpoint. Those that seek to make "God's Kingdom" on earth, before the King returns and does it Himself,  are deluded.  It is up to the Lord only.  Before we run off and fix the Middle East and the world, we better "fix" ourselves .

As I said previously, "If you find errors in this study, the author awaits your correction and stands ready to be corrected ."   If believing I could be wrong about my analysis and believing the Bible is always true is "pomposity ", then I plead guilty as charged.  I am nothing but your servant.  [As far as "the mind of the president " is concerned, I will offer this question - if the President has the same perspective as this website- Armageddon will eventuate and 50 percent of the world's population will be killed in two judgments alone, would he invade Iraq?  Absolutely not.]  The real reason the President attacked Iraq is that he was persuaded by the neo-cons he trusted that it was "furthering democracy in the Middle East" (the exoteric neo-con vision; the esoteric neo-con necessity is " ongoing war ").  These men, who have the confidence of the President, who probably do not believe the Bible at all, are the ones promoting "ongoing war" and that is why they are referred to as the War Party in some circles.  Consequently, Bible believing has absolutely nothing to do with "ongoing war ."   Quoting the counterpunch page -

Revelation does not instruct its believing reader to favor this or that policy option. I assume there are believers who are thoroughly against the war on Iraq. But believers energized by anticipation of a glorious new world on the horizon, and by the belief that they are participating in prophesized events, may become particularly apt to place blind faith in an aggressive Good vs. Evil foreign policy. They should be informed that beneath the simplistic religious justification for the "war on terrorism" (including the war in Iraq, which the Bush administration sees as the central battlefield of the "war on terrorism," but which many scholars and officials regard as an entirely separate phenomenon) there is a layer of carefully researched and presented strategy papers authored by the prophetic neocons. These neoconservatives have led the administration in producing regime change in Afghanistan, invading and occupying Iraq, deferring in unprecedented fashion to Israeli policy while demanding changes in the Palestinian Authority and severing ties with Yassir Arafat.

I agree with the above paragraph, except I find comical any reference to the neocons as "prophetic."   Further, the claim that "war on terrorism" has a "religious justification " is false and is part of the Clash of Civilizations paradigm..  Quoting further the counterpunch page-
This is the problem. Leo Strauss's [the intellectual "father" of the neo-cons according to many] thought divides humanity into three types: the wise, the gentlemen, and the vulgar. The wise use deception (noble lies) to attain their ends, using gentlemen (who are not wise but who are powerful) to control the masses. Religion is a vital tool in controlling the masses ("as lambs to the slaughter"), and the non-believing wise can also use it to manipulate "gentlemen. " Revelation, at the hands of the wise, gentle or vulgar, is among the world's most easily manipulated of books; the wise can do it best.   [emphasis added]
Does the counterpunch author believe that the neo-cons quoted/interpreted the Book of Revelation to the president to motivate him to invade Iraq?  I doubt this, but, if true, I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall to hear it.  If this did happen, then, the president was lied to and I stand corrected.  If it did happen, it was not due to Bible believing, but, Bible quoting, which is quite different.  True believers are not bellicose.  If it did happen, it could well be for the purpose of turning the world against the Biblical fundamentalists,  which can also be effectuated by saying the motive for the "war on terror" has a " religious justification ".  If the "war on terrorism" has any " religious justification ", it is not the "religion" of this website.

So my question is this - what is " wise [men's]" "deception" which has resulted in promoting religious conflict and "ongoing war "?   Does this website promote or justify a religious war?  Certainly not.  However, does fixing the blame on those who "manipulate " the Book of Revelation to "control the masses" and, launch " war on terrorism " point the finger at a religious enemy?  Clearly such an assertion leads directly to the condemnation of Biblical fundamentalists as the real enemy of the Islamic world and the ultimate cause of "ongoing war."  Nothing could be further from the truth. In fact, such condemnation when argued by some is a deliberate strategy .

If you read this entire website, you will find the following question posed and answered numerous times: What are we to DO? Answer- Nothing, but get right with the Lord .    

Newsflash - It is manipulators of the Book of Revelation who are behind all the conflict.  Those who believe the Bible are manipulated into action.  We have got it straight now - the Almighty is so weak He needs manipulated believers eager to fulfill prophecy. These "believers" are atypical. Apparently, they do not know the God we know. When it comes to avoiding having to deal with the difficult issue of the sovereignty of Almighty God, commentators invent strange theories.   

Some commentators take advantage of the President's "shirt sleeve religion" and make his religion a straw man. This tactic is identical to calling Muslims "evil doers" - the same reason for which the President is condemned by the same commentators.  Now, as predicted on this website, the believers themselves are, in effect, being called "evil doers" because we supposedly believe in war to promote our religion. This "logic" makes the President and his " dead-ender followers" (apparently fundamentalist extremists all, and hazarding a guess, "terrorists" as well) guilty of " imperialism ."  Nothing could be further from the truth (probably on both counts; I can not speak for the President, but, I can speak for this believer and many other believers I know.)  

Neither is this website "thoroughly at peace with contemporary imperialism" (or any other imperialism for that matter).  What is happening in the world saddens everyone, especially me. However, those that refer to believers as people in support of Armageddon do not understand the believers. [ I guess the major difference between a believer's logic and that of the world is this- the non believers actually think nothing is caused by anyone other than themselves, i.e., mortal men. Believers on the other hand know we are nothing. So, we do not attempt to be something we are not. We are to wait on the Lord and nothing else .] We are "strangers and pilgrims" on this earth.  We are glad the Lord is coming and we are going home.  However, not a day goes by that we do not feel for those who must face what is coming, which will include the "tribulation saints ."  It is for YOU that I am writing today.   The Lord is everything.  I (on the other hand) am nothing but dirt.

Though not at peace with "contemporary imperialism ", I am thoroughly at peace with the Lord Jesus Christ.  I encourage you to take a serious look at what is happening in the light of prophecy and accept Him yourself .   I love you and I want you to know that what is happening is lining up with Bible prophecy.  Yes, I do run the risk of being accused of " seducing the gullible", " pseudo-scientific precision " and "snake-oil salemanship ", but, I am willing to take that risk because I love you.  I never claimed (read above) that my analysis was 100% correct. But does it have to be (as they say) "close enough for government work" to warrant your personal attention?  I do, however, claim that the Bible is the Word of the Living God and you would do well to listen to it .

While you are "study[ing] this particular "weapon", if only to better understand the minds of the president and his dead-ender followers ",  study this - God Himself is In Charge, not Us .   If you did read that link, you now know it AIN'T us that did it.   ;-)           Even the Lord has a sense of humor.  See the 2nd Psalm verse 4.    

And while you contemplate "authoritative pomposity " consider this "For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. " (Romans 14:11).  What will we all confess?  " That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father ." (Phillipians 2:10-11)   You and I will confess this.  The question is - will we confess joyfully today or will we wait until it is too late?   Whosoever shall fall [in dependence] upon this stone [Jesus Christ] shall be broken  [humbled]: but on whomsoever it shall fall [in judgment], it will grind him to powder . (Mathew 21:44)  What will it be for you?

One other thing - since the facts of the current world situation are so close to the Biblical account, people are finding it necessary to refer to the description of the current world situation on this website as " snake-oil salemanship" in order to avoid dealing with the following real possibility - the Bible is actually history written in advance .  We thank them for pointing out this possibility to the reader.  There is NOTHING any mortal man can do to bring Bible prophecy to pass and there is NOTHING any mortal man can do to stop Bible prophecy from coming to pass.  Such is the nature of the sovereign Almighty God.  

End 07-18-2004

"You Bible nuts have said this before and nothing has ever happened. "

How many times have you heard this?  Maybe YOU are one of the ones who SAID this.

Those saying this are themselves fulfilling this prophecy-

2 Peter 3:3-4   Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers , walking after their own lusts [pursuing their own ambitions ],   And saying, Where is the promise of his coming ? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

These people scoff and say "You said he was coming, where is He?"   "Nothing has changed, things have been this way forever and He did not come."

These people WANT to remain ignorant of what ALREADY happened-

2 Peter 3:5-6   For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:   Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished :

There is a judgment coming-

2 Peter 3:7-8   But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men .  But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Actually, it is for YOU that the Lord has WAITED to come-

2 Peter 3:9   The Lord is not slack concerning his promise , as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish , but that all should come to repentance.

The "Day of the Lord" will come suddenly.  It starts at the Rapture (in the chart below) and ends AFTER the 1,000 year Reign of Jesus Christ-

2 Peter 3:10   But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night ; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Why did the Lord WAIT?-

2 Peter 3:15   And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation ;

He is giving YOU a chance to repent .     Please do not consider the patience of the Lord to save YOU as an indication that He is not coming.

end 03-28-2003


The presence of the United States military in the Middle East and the threat of continued operations (military or covert) against other nations in the Middle East, such as Iran, Libya, Syria, has certainly gotten the attention of Russia and other Islamic states.

As we look at the current situation from the standpoint of prophecy, THERE ARE ONLY A FEW MORE THINGS THAT COULD HAPPEN (that one would expect having read the Bible), BEFORE the "thief in the night" rapture occurs.  Meanwhile, behind the scenes, the antichrist awaits his opportunity to fill an eventual political vacuum.  What will be the cause of such a vacuum?  We intend to show what could cause this vacuum.  ( Note: This paragraph with the following two trends were on this page previously, but, is being rewritten in light of some facts we found on the internet.   We intend to show that both these trends fit into Bible prophecy and that recent statements on the internet confirm BOTH contradictory trends .)  

The scenarios that will accelerate ARE  TWO very contradictory trends :
We shall see momentarily that these two trends BOTH have political sponsorship within United States leadership.

1) Rise in animosity towards the Western presence (or perceived Western representation) in the Mideast   by Islamic states and Russia, which leads to the war of Ezekiel 38-39 .  Eventually China will invade as well (later in the tribulation).

2) Rise in the feeling of security and peace in the Mideast, based upon the "covenant" of Daniel 9:27 which will have "peace" in the foreground.


As to 1) Rise in animosity towards the Western presence in the Mideast

We read in the Bible that a northern confederacy will invade Israel because the Lord GOD Himself will bring them ("put hooks in their jaws") to attack Israel.  At this point it would be a good idea to read all of Ezekiel 38 and 39.  In these chapters we read of a leader Gog whose nation, Magog, and a northern confederation with others invade Israel.

The invasion of Israel occurs at a unique time, the latter years .  The phrase latter years is used ONLY ONCE in the entire Bible.  The phrase last days (8 times) and latter days (11 times) are used in reference to events during the seven year tribulation. If the scriptures wanted to say last (latter) days , they would have said so; they did not.  Hence, latter years represents a unique time in Bible prophecy.  In fact, the expression latter years is preceded by another curious expression:
"After many days thou shalt be visited ."  

Ezekiel 38:8   After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.

For over 30 years I have wondered what this unique and curious phrasing means.  Perhaps, the answer is found on this page.

The scriptures say-

Ezekiel 38:4   And I will turn thee back , and put hooks into thy jaws , and I will bring thee forth , and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:

Ezekiel 38:5   Persia [Iran], Ethiopia , and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet:

Ezekiel 38:6   Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee.

Ezekiel 38:7   Be thou prepared, and prepare for thyself, thou, and all thy company that are assembled unto thee, and be thou a guard unto them.

Ezekiel 38:8   After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.

The invasion comes into the "land" (Israel) which has been " waste " (but now exports citrus fruit) brought back from the " sword " (murderous holocaust) which is " gathered out of many people " and "brought forth out of the nations " (the Diaspora of Europe, Russia, Central Asia, and elsewhere) when "they shall dwell safely all of them " (apparently at a time when the PLO is not killing them).

What is the result of this invasion?

Ezekiel 38:18   And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD , that my fury shall come up in my face .
Ezekiel 38:19   For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken , Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;

Ezekiel 38:20   So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.

Ezekiel 38:21   And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord GOD: every man's sword shall be against his brother.

Ezekiel 38:22   And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain , and great hailstones , fire , and brimstone .

Ezekiel 38:23   Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am the LORD .

Ezekiel 39:1   Therefore, thou son of man, prophesy against Gog, and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:

Ezekiel 39:2   And I will turn thee back, and leave but the sixth part of thee [the Lord brings 5/6 of his military], and will cause thee to come up from the north parts , and will bring thee upon the mountains of Israel:

Ezekiel 39:3   And I will smite thy bow out of thy left hand, and will cause thine arrows to fall out of thy right hand.

Ezekiel 39:4   Thou shalt fall upon the mountains of Israel, thou, and all thy bands, and the people that is with thee: I will give thee unto the ravenous birds of every sort, and to the beasts of the field to be devoured.

Ezekiel 39:5   Thou shalt fall upon the open field: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD.

Ezekiel 39:6   And I will send a fire on Magog , and among them that dwell carelessly in the isles : and they shall know that I am the LORD .

The invaders "from the north " are the Central Asian Islamic coalition which includes Islamic states of the former Soviet Union, Persia (Iran), Ethiopia, Libya, (and Russia?).  Many Biblical commentators say they " that dwell carelessly in the isles " is a reference to the United States (a nation which is bordered by two oceans).  "Magog" is considered to be the Central Asian former Soviet Islamic states and/or Russia proper by most Bible commentators and genealogists.  If you search the internet for "Gog and Magog" (the phrase used in Ezekiel 38-39), you will find this to be the case.

Ezekiel 39:7   So will I make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel; and I will not let them pollute my holy name any more: and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, the Holy One in Israel.

Ezekiel 39:8   Behold, it is come, and it is done, saith the Lord GOD; this is the day whereof I have spoken.

One reason it is difficult to analyze the current political environment and see how the present situation unfolds into prophecy is that the Lord Himself is going to intervene and CHANGE the situation COMPLETELY.

The Lord GOD does so by doing two things:
(1) Calling home His Church at the Rapture  
(2) Forcing an invasion of Israel

Because these verses use the phrase " the day " and "that day ", one can conclude that this invasion is not going to last very long.


As to 2) Rise in the feeling of security and peace in the Mideast

we see the RoadMap to Mideast peace constantly discussed in the media.

Just remember, when they SAY " PEACE AND SAFETY "       THEN
(1 Thess 5:3)  This could be a direct reference to the Gog/Magog invasion of Israel.  Would this nuclear exchange not leave a HUGE POLITICAL VACUUM in the Middle East?  If the United States and Russia and her Islamic allies are destroyed, would this not leave a POLITICAL VACUUM, especially if it follows on the heels of the Rapture .

It is this political environment into which the antichrist is thrust.  He will then enforce the peace, but, also, remember that BY PEACE HE (the antichrist) SHALL DESTROY MANY ."  (Daniel 8:25)

He (the antichrist) will have been given a Crown and he will have control over a "bow" (military)  and he will go forth " conquering and to conquer. "  He will conduct THREE regime changes .

Concerning WHEN read this .   See also the outline of the end-times .

What is said in the Bible about this man's (the antichrist) military might?  The following statement will be made 3 and 1/2 years into the tribulation..

---Revelation 13:4

This is especially true when you consider that  before the question is asked in Revelation 13:4 either a nuclear exchange between the major powers will have occurred or the Lord Himself by a direct act will bring about "great hailstones, fire, and brimstone" on the force (from the north) invading Israel (Ezekiel 38:22)  and on those dwelling carelessly in the isles (Ezekiel 39:6).

 [As we shall see, two different groups (with two different viewpoints) are trying to control US policy and the situation in the Middle East.  One group , called the "neo-cons", is in favor of overthrowing the governments of the Mideast, Iran for example, and one is in favor of the RoadMap for peace.   The former leads Islamic nations and their allies to war and the latter leads to a US lead Mideast peace.   There are geopolitical interests who do not want a US lead Middle East peace.These interests want their own "peace" on their own terms.To accomplish this, they use others to disrupt the US lead peace process. The Lord GOD Himself is going to change ALL their plans. ]

From the following website, we read-

While discussing a June 16 National Review Online the website shows us the TWO groups and their CONTRADICTORY objectives.

The article cites six reasons why the Iranian "revolution" is unstoppable now—and why President Bush must embrace it.

[the website says that the "revolution" is actually a western covert intelligence operation designed to overthrow the Islamic government of Iran and that the "neo-cons" are trying to convince Bush to overthrow Iran while Bush at the same time is in favor of the Roadmap peace strategy.]

The article [in National Review] is considered a signal that the neo-con cabal inside the Administration is going into high gear behind the scenes to get war in Iran. Among other objectives, war on Iran would help derail the Road Map negotiations for Israeli-Palestinian peace—a policy the President supports, but the Administration neo-cons despise . [emphasis added]

If "war in Iran " is the objective, is it any wonder that Persia (Iran) joins the coalition which invades Israel?

According to the Daily Star in Beirut (says the quoted website) of May 9, 2003:
In an address titled 'Time to Focus on Iran: The Mother of Modern Terrorism,' for the policy forum of the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA) on April 30, [it was declared]: "The time for diplomacy is at the end; it is time for a free Iran, a free Syria and free Lebanon."

Whether or not LaRouche's quotes are true is not the point.  The point is - if the quotes (and others like them) are believed - it will stir the Iranians against the United States presence in the Mideast.  In any case, it is necessary to also note that Islamic Jihad and an Islam acting in concert may well be the result of manipulation more than any inherent tendency in Islam.

The AFTERMATH of the Northern Confederacy Invasion of Israel

Ezekiel 39:9   And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years :

Ezekiel 39:10   So that they shall take no wood out of the field, neither cut down any out of the forests; for they shall burn the weapons with fire: and they shall spoil those that spoiled them, and rob those that robbed them, saith the Lord GOD.

We notice that the length of time that the Jews are using the invaders' weapons as fuel EXACTLY matches the length of the SEVEN YEAR tribulation period.  It is not inconceivable that the weapons would be burned at least partly during the millennium, but, it seems that Israel will not need the fuel during the millennium.  I am not insistent on this, but, it seems that immediately after the rapture, the Gog invasion could occur, followed immediately by the seven year tribulation during which time the antichrist enforces the covenant.  The invasion could slide to the right in the following chart [which would put some of the weapon burning into the millennium].

We have already said - because these verses [describing the invasion of Israel] use the phrase " the day " and " that day ", one can conclude that this invasion is not going to last very long.  Therefore, we insert the invasion of Israel into the chart as follows.  We left the section " Eze 39:9 [Israel] burns [weapons] with fire 7 years " a slightly different color because we KNOW how long it is, but, we do not know if it EXACTLY matches the starting point of the tribulation.  However, as we have already stated the invasion is in the latter years , a unique Biblical expression, such a unique time period could easily fall prior to the seven year tribulation (as shown below).  Furthermore, " after many days thou shalt be visited ", which is used in conjunction with the latter years phrase, seems to imply that the Lord GOD's visitation to Gog to put "hooks in [his] jaw" will come after a long period of time during which the Lord GOD does not make direct judgment on a nation.  Therefore, the Lord GOD's action in bringing down the northern invaders is His FIRST after a long period of time.  Since the tribulation is full of God's direct actions, this would imply that bringing down the invaders may well precede the seven years.


<<<--------  Daniel's70th Week------>>>

3 and 1/2 yrs

3 and 1/2 yrs

Rapture A
1260 days

1260 days
1000 year
Rev 4:1
<Revelation 6--------
-----Revelation 19>
Rev 19:11

Nuclear war, Famine


Military campaigns

Rev 19:20
Jesus Christ

Eze 39:9 burns [weapons] with fire 7 years

UNKNOWN duration
Instant, Moment, Brief Time
Gog/Magog Invasion ??
KNOWN duration



from this website,
we read these excerpts-

While some deluded souls may wish to believe that the war in Iraq is over, the reality is ...  the conflict with Iraq is only the opening phase in a drive for U.S. global domination, in which any and all challengers will be swept aside . The first priority ...  is to redraw the map of the entire Middle East, through a "domino" of regime changes , rapidly extending from Iraq to Syria, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt . The overall agenda of massive instability in the entire Arab Near East was spelled out most graphically in the July 1996 "A Clean Break" report , prepared by Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, David Wurmser and others, for incoming Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

One leading spokesman for this neo-con group, former CIA Director James Woolsey, unabashedly declared in late March, before a student audience at the University of California in Los Angeles, that we are already fighting "World War IV. "
Michael Ledeen, the self-professed "universal fascist" and resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute (AEI), spoke at the Willard Hotel in early February, and worried aloud that the Bush Administration might not have the stomach to face the reality that a war on Iraq would actually trigger a full-scale regional war against Iraq, Syria, Iran, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and the Palestinian Authority . Ledeen welcomed such a war

former New York Post editorial page editor John Podhoretz, penned an April 10 op-ed in that Rupert Murdoch yellow sheet, calling for a jihad against the "fence-menders," typified by Colin Powell and Brent Scowcroft , who opposed the Iraq War, and are now pressing for a gesture of "goodwill towards the Arab world," by pushing for implementation of the "Road Map" for establishing a sovereign Palestinian state . ( Read this ) Scowcroft had delivered a speech a day earlier in Oslo, Norway, in which he again denounced the Iraq War, as he had done in August 2002, and predicted chaos and a big jump in anti-American terrorism as the result of the war.

[the RoadMap results in the " peace " agreement.   See how BOTH WAR and PEACE will come QUICKLY? ]

On April 10, 2003, the Oakland Tribune reported, "One intelligence source with good access to Pentagon civilian authorities said that [Defense Secretary Donald] Rumsfeld last week ordered the drawing up of contingency plans for a possible invasion of Syria , and that Pentagon Undersecretary Douglas Feith is working on a policy paper highlighting how Syria's support of terrorist groups is a threat to the region."

  there is no "post-war" to the Iraq invasion; there is only continuing war . ...  the world will be facing a series of provocations and confrontations, spreading throughout the Middle East and beyond, that can take us into world war .

Woolsey (ex CIA leader) charges that, besides Iraq, "Iran, Syria, Sudan, and Libya sponsor and assist terrorism in one way or another. All five have sought weapons of mass destruction. Clearly, the terror war is never going to go away until we change the face of the Middle East, which is what we are beginning to do in Iraq. ."

Read about the prophesied Regime Changes
The point is not whether LaRouche is right or wrong.  The point is whether he is believed.  If he IS believed, his statements will only make the "war" he opposes more necessary.
end 04-16-2003

From another source we read essentially the same story-

A few weeks ago, Richard Perle invited the Pentagon chiefs to a meeting with researchers from a Washington think tank.According to information that reached a former top official in the Israeli security services, the researchers showed two slides to the Pentagon officials.  

The first was a depiction of the three goals in the war on terror and the democratization of the Middle East : (1) Iraq, a tactical goal ; (2) Saudi Arabia, a strategic goal ; and (3) Egypt, the great prize .  
( read about the prophecy regarding Egypt )

The triangle in the next slide was no less interesting: Palestine is Israel , Jordan is Palestine , and Iraq is the Hashemite Kingdom ."   ( Read about the rise of a Biblical nation in this region )  ( read about prophesied Regime Changes )

(Read how a "crown" will be given to the antichrist. )   This crown will be given to a Hashemite King .

We read from the same page- The Hashemite dynasty has never given up its dream to revive the Iraqi throne.

It's true that restoring a monarchy in Iraq does not exactly fit the Bush administration's vision of a democratic Middle East. But there are signs that it fits some old dreams of a few of the key strategists around the Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld triangle running America's Iraq policy.
End 04-19-2003

The Location of the Antichrist's Army is in Jordan/Iraq

A possible scenario (another scenario is listed at the end)-
a) A new government is setup in Iraq
b) The government is eventually ruled by the antichrist
c) The government will make "peace" with Israel (a false peace)
d) The rapture occurs
e) The tribulation starts, the first act of which is a military attack by the antichrist's military on neighboring states.

  1. Russia and China have already publicly expressed opposition to the United States incursion into Iraq.  They fear our presence in the Middle East and have been given reasons for this fear.  See the references below to the intellectual elite's books which advocate United States primacy in Central Asia and the Middle East and dominion over the Islamic states. These viewpoints (whether true or false) serve to inflame the Islamic world (intentionally or accidentally) against the west.
  2. Remember, Saudi Arabia had previously been opposed to using their land as a staging area and they have had THREE (3) members of the Royal family to die within a 7 day period (a statistically strange situation).  At the least, a great deal of preparation is being made by those in favor of and opposed to the US military presence and the resulting government there.  If the opposition killed 3 members of the Saudi Royal family to gain control over the country to prohibit its use in the Iraq invasion, then, this prophecy could be fulfilled when Saudi Arabia could become one of the targets of the emerging military power (after the Rapture) in the Mideast .  

"According to one source, the research reaches the result that the military attack against Iraq is " a tactical objective ,"   Saudi Arabia is " the strategic objective " and Egypt is " the big prize ."  (

From today's (03-21-2003)
we  read- (whether true or false, the effect is the same on the Islamic, Russian, Chinese reader)

Saudi Arabia has expressed its great concern and regret over the beginning of the military operations against Iraq and renewed its assertion that it will not in any way take part in the war against Iraq.

The Saudi foreign minister prince Saud al-Faisal expressed in a statement quoted by the Saudi news agency yesterday his country's hope that the military operations will be stopped as soon as possible and to return back to peaceful efforts.

He stressed the need not to undermine Iraq's unity, internal safety and regional security or for Iraq to be under any military
occupation. He stressed that the armed Saudi forces will not, at any rate, enter even one inch of the Iraqi territories.

from the following website released today (03-21-2003) we read-

Mr. Bush is also betting that the fall of Saddam won’t reverberate in any negative fashion throughout the Middle East. Any real upheaval might topple unappealing, yet stable regimes in Saudi Arabia , Egypt and elsewhere.

We are reminded of Daniel 11:42.  This verse is referring to the antichrist and events during the Book of Revelation.
He shall stretch also his hand upon the countries: and the land ofEgypt shall not escape.

How far away can the coming of the Son of God be?  This attack on Egypt will occur in the first half of the 7-year tribulation, apparently due to Islamic opposition to a dominant Western military presence.  If the rapture came today, the attack on Egypt would be less than 3.5 years away.

That there is the perceived threat from the United States policy to invade the Whole of Eurasia we have this-
from the website of a long-time critic of United States policy (since the 1960s)

LaRouche says-
In fact, the unilateral Anglo-American warfare threatened by the bipolar froth from certain official and mass-media Washington and London sources, is not a war prompted by any action by Iraq itself. It is the use of wildly exaggerated allegations of external threats from Iraq as a pretext for launching what has been called by some relevant circles a "Clash of Civilizations" war against not only the Arab world as a whole :  not only the Islamic populations as a whole ; but also China , and targets beyond. This threatens the outbreak, even during the month of March, of the third geopolitical world war launched by imperial maritime (and aerial) power against continental Eurasia as a whole .

Whether his statement is true or false is not the point.  The point is that such a statement inflames the Islamic-Russian-Chinese coalition against the United States.
End 03-22-2003

The campaign of Armageddon will be the result of the war with Iraq and its aftermath.  When the nations of Russia, China, and Islamic Central Asia are threatened by the presence of the United States military in the Middle East, especially since they have been told that the United States has an " imperialistic imperative " by Zbigniew Brezinski, The Grand Chessboard, American Primacy and its Geostrategic Imperatives and Samuel P. Huntington, The Clash of Civilizations , and by LaRouche above; they will invade the Middle East.  If this is what is being said publicly, and these are just 3 examples, imagine what is being said privately.

If there was ever a book that presents United States policy as more arrogant, one would be hard pressed to find it.  It appears that such a book (Brezinski's) has the intended purpose to provoke these nations to war.  Whether by accident or by design, the result will be the same. The book says that -

Brzezinski’s worst case scenario of an "antihegemonic" coalition pits Russia, Iran, and China against US-led transatlantic Europe. But while such a coalition could indeed disrupt US geostrategic goals, it is unlikely to develop unless "the United States is shortsighted enough to " antagonize China and Iran simultaneously ."

The last paragraph (the worst case scenario) sounds exactly like Bible prophecies of the following TWO (2) invasions.

Invasion #1 The Magog invasion (by Russia or the Central Asian Islamic coalition) of the Middle east as described in Ezekiel 38-39.

One of the countries in Ezekiel 38-39 that comes against Israel (with the Islamic coalition) is " Persia ."  " Persia " is Iran (one of Brezinski's worst case countries).  The other "worst-case " country is China.

Ezekiel 38:18-23   And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that my fury shall come up in my face.   For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;  So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.  And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord GOD: every man's sword shall be against his brother.  And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.   Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am the LORD.

Invasion # 2   The 200,000,000 man army of the " kings of the east " described in the Book of Revelation.

Revelation 9:14   Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates .

Revelation 9:15   And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men .

Revelation 9:16   And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand : and I heard the number of them.

Revelation 16:12   And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up , that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.

One third of the people in the world will be killed when China and its 200,000,000 man army cross the Euphrates River in Iraq.  This is the SAME river that the 3rd Infantry Division (US Army) crossed in its march to Baghdad on the front page of   USA Today .

In both cases, Ezekiel 38-39, and in Revelation 9 is there " BRIMSTONE ."   Brimstone is a sulphur derivative and is THE VERY SMELL one experiences after a nuclear detonation.  This will be a thermo-nuclear war.

Sulfur (S) or sulphur , nonmetallic element, known to antiquity as the biblical brimstone and recognized as an element by Antoine Lavoisier in 1777.  (from-

A series of solvent extractions is then necessary to separate the uranium from the plutonium. The usual solvents are sulphur dioxide or hydroxylamine .  (from-

Revelation 9:17   And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone : and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone .

Revelation 9:18   By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone , which issued out of their mouths.

Ezekiel 38:22   And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that arewith him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones , fire, and brimstone .

One of the things that falls from the sky after a nuclear detonation is HAILSTONES, due to the rapidly rising heat.

Nuclear War as Described by the Book of Revelation and Nuclear Studies

We know that the Bible is amazingly accurate.  Read on to see just how accurate.

From the State Department webite-

We Read about the Nuclear Posture Review that was conducted by the US administration for Strategic Nuclear Planning purposes-

Nuclear Posture Review
DoD News Briefing
J.D. Crouch, ASD ISP
Wednesday, Jan. 9, 2002 - 3:05 p.m. EST
Also participating: Rear Adm. Barry M. Costello, deputy director for Strategy and Policy, Joint Staff;
John Harvey, director, Office of Policy, Planning, Assessment and Analysis, Department of Energy;
Richard McGraw, principal deputy assistant secretary of Defense for Public Affairs

Quoting from the press conference question and answer session-

And to answer your second question, we are planning on maintaining a trident SSBN fleet of 14 submarines . Two of those submarines will be in overhaul at all times , and those submarines will not have missiles available to fire, and they will not be part of the operationally deployed nuclear weapons.

Translation - this means that at all times there will be exactly TWELVE (12) United States SSBNs (nuclear ballistic missile submarines) on patrol capable of launching nuclear missiles at the enemy.

The world's navies also have SSNs (attack submarines), one of whose missions is to locate and destroy SSBNs.

Studies have been conducted to determine how well SSNs are statistically able to destroy SSBNs.

See here, for example:

Quoting from the study, we find that-

Similar assumptions are taken by V.S. Belous [Belous, 1994]. Of the 60% of the SSBNs, at sea in the initial period of war, in accordance with these premises, 30-40% of them would be lost .

Of course, this range would include 33%.  Now, reading from the Book of Revelation:

Rev 8: 9 … and a third part of ships were destroyed.

Now, it should be fully expected that EXACTLY ONE THIRD of "ships" will be destroyed.  This will include SSBNs of the United States as well as other countries.  Note: if all 14 of the SSBNs are on patrol an exact one third is not possible.  However, with EXACTLY 12 being on patrol, there will be EXACTLY 4 SSBNs sunk because they will not be able to evade other attack submarines.

I would not mess with the Word of God, if I were you.

End 10-05-2003

An alternative scenario could be as follows.  This would make the Rapture an even greater surprise, "a thief in the night" for sure. This is true in that NO remaining events of those listed above in GREEN would precede the Rapture.  The events listed in the "probable scenario" above as occuring BEFORE the Rapture could easily occur immediately AFTER the Rapture.
New Gov't in Iraq, the "crown" of Rev 6:2
"Peace" Process or "covenant with many" of Dan 9:27
In this scenario, the two events above in the color shown in GREEN in the first scenario would move into the BLUE (or known length Tribulation period) making the scenario-

The alternative scenario-
a) The rapture occurs
b) A new government is setup in Iraq
c) The government is eventually ruled by the antichrist
d) The government will make "peace" with Israel and a pact with other surrounding nations (a false peace)
e) The tribulation starts, the first act of which is a military attack by the antichrist's military on neighboring states.

In this scenario, the Rapture would become a major CAUSAL event in the unfolding scenario in the Mideast.  A great leadership void would emerge and the dynamics of a New Regime in Iraq would change dramatically.  Leaders in the Mideast (Arab) would be thrust into a pressure situation.  Someone would be forced to step forward.  This "someone" could well be the antichrist.

Imagine what it would be like if the world woke up tomorrow morning and the Rapture had come "as a thief in the night" with the current military situation being what it is .  Let's suppose that as many as one half the US military were Raptured and part of the US leadership in the United States as well.  The PRESSURE to implement the "covenant" would mount and the events would accelerate dramatically.  The "covenant" is the Bible term for that "agreement" which authorizes the military actions of the antichrist.  The term "RoadMap" (or some variation of it) is used in the political arena to describe the same "agreement".  This agreement, the "RoadMap", has as one of its main objectives that a "Palestinian State" be created.
end 04-10-2003

That there is plenty of pent-up energy among Arab leadership to undertake such a "covenant" is evident.


Retired general says Iraq invasion was “greatest strategic disaster in United States history."  Even from a non-Biblical standpoint it is easy to see what a disaster this is.

09/30/05 "The Lowell Sun" -- -- WASHINGTON -- The invasion of Iraq was the “greatest strategic disaster in United States history,” a retired Army general said yesterday, strengthening an effort in Congress to force an American withdrawal beginning next year., Retired Army Lt. Gen. William Odom, a Vietnam veteran, said the invasion of Iraq alienated America's Middle East allies, making it harder to prosecute a war against terrorists.

End 10-03-2005


As we have shown in the chart, the Magog invasion will likely precede the 70th week of Daniel.  Apparently, the beliefs of leaders in Iran match this scenario (in terms of sequence).

From the website-
we read how the Islamic "savior", the Mahdi will follow "wars"

Preparing Iran for judgement [sic] day

President Ahmadinejad is mocked by Tehran's elite for his ugliness, stupidity and smelly socks. Yet it's his religiosity, which gives him the common touch, that worries them. Lindsey Hilsum reports from Iran...

Shia Muslims believe that the 12th Imam or Mahdi, the last in a line of saints descended from Ali, the founder of their sect, vanished in 941 and will one day return. According to their tradition, he is "in occultation", like a sun hidden by clouds - after a stormy period of wars and other ravages, the clouds will clear and the sun will be revealed. After a local man had a vision of the Mahdi, a shrine was erected at Jamkaran, outside the holy city of Qom. Some Shias believe that the Mahdi will reappear through a well at the shrine, so the postbox has been erected on the spot for the faithful to send him their prayers.

Many of Iran's most learned ayatollahs say the legend of Jamkaran is superstition, but thousands flock there every Tuesday evening. In one of his first acts after being elected in June, Iran's new president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, allocated £12m of government funds to enlarge the shrine and mosque. Much to the alarm of those who say Iran is modernising, he frequently refers to the Mahdi, even mentioning him in his speech to the UN General Assembly in September. Asked late last month how Iranians should prepare for the Mahdi, he replied: "They must be pure and devout." On other occasions, he has talked of reorienting the country's policies to be ready for judgement day, the equivalent of Tony Blair telling Britons to prepare for Christ's second coming.

Is it possible that "wars and other ravages" will actually be the Magog invasion (which includes Persia, aka Iran)?  If so, this will prepare the Muslims to receive the Mahdi, who will turn out to be the antichrist (as the chronology of the chart indicates).
Speaking of beliefs, is it possible that Israel ends up in a bad position because US leadership believes in Replacement Theology, the false belief that the church replaces Israel?

End 12-08-2005


Several have written and asked what is the significance of the recent events in Israel vis-a-vis the bombing of Lebanon, tensions with Hezbollah and Syria, and the Gaza incursions?  The answer is this: from the world's viewpoint we are seeing the implementation of the Clean Break Strategy we have reported on several pages of this website including especially here and here.  What began with the invasion of Iraq is being continued.

From the Biblical standpoint what we leading up to is the political/military environment that enables the covenant with death and with hell of Isa 28:15.  The leaders of Israel are to be scornful men (Isa 28:14) and this covenant is what we will be engendered upon completion of this phase of "war."  The overflowing scourge resulting from the agreement will be the antichrist and the associated Gentile nations.

Quoting a site (written before 1999 when Abdullah became King of Jordan) describing the Clean Break Strategy

An effective approach, and one with which American can sympathize, would be if Israel seized the strategic initiative along its northern borders by engaging Hizballah, Syria, and Iran, as the principal agents of aggression in Lebanon

Change the nature of its relations with the Palestinians, including upholding the
right of hot pursuit for self defense into all Palestinian areas
 Since Iraq's future could affect the strategic balance in the Middle East profoundly, it would be understandable that Israel has an interest in supporting the Hashemites in their efforts to redefine Iraq
striking Syrian military targets in Lebanon
Israel can shape its strategic environment, in cooperation with Turkey and Jordan, by weakening, containing, and even rolling back Syria. This effort can focus on
removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq — an important Israeli strategic objective in its own right — as a means of foiling Syria’s regional ambitions. Jordan has challenged Syria's regional ambitions recently by suggesting the restoration of the Hashemites in Iraq. This has triggered a Jordanian-Syrian rivalry to which Asad has responded by stepping up efforts to destabilize the Hashemite Kingdom, including using infiltrations. Syria recently signaled that it and Iran might prefer a weak, but barely surviving Saddam, if only to undermine and humiliate Jordan in its efforts to remove Saddam.

Making the Clean Break strategy possible is one of the main reasons we invaded Iraq.  Since the above Clean Break Strategy was written before 1999, how much did 9-11 have to do with invading Iraq?

End 07-16-2006

07-16-2006 part B

Apparently, the above is true-

After days of markedly increasing tensions between the Israeli government and Lebanese militant group Hezbollah, Israeli forces are preparing to launch a major assault against Lebanon to attempt to eradicate the militants. The Israel Defense Forces is preparing for a major, sustained assault into southern Lebanon to eliminate the Lebanese militant group Hezbollah...As its forces gather and reservists kick into high gear, Israel stands on the verge of attempting to completely annihilate Hezbollah in southern Lebanon.

A reader has asked (after Part A)-
Question. If what you say turns out to be correct, and it may be, what will be the rational for turning against Israel and removing the nation from the Middle East after it assists in the process of eliminating  current rogue governments and setting up the Jordanian King as the little horn, king of the north ("antichrist"). Why will it then be an issue to eliminate Israel from being a nation?

The answer- First of all, a "peace" must be generated to fulfill the prophecies.  Since the characteristics of the Book of Revelation begin with conquering and to conquer, then, whatever "peace" emerges initially, it is followed by the campaign of Armageddon.  I do not necessarily equate the "peace" with the establishment of the King of the North (vis-a-vis the Hashemite Kingdom).  The Biblically stated role of the prince to come is to confirm the covenant with many for one week.  The little horn does not have to be King of the North in order to accomplish this.  (Implicit in the name little horn is his unrecognized rise to prominence.) He becomes King of the North after he assumes control of Iraq (which appears to become necessary due to the continued "insurgency", which predictably will accelerate).  The current incursion into Lebanon is just the beginning, a precursor to Daniel's 70th week.  The 10 kings will come into "existence" as a result of this precursor (a look at the aforementioned page on the 10 Kings shows clearly that Lebanon is involved.)  (Later the 10 Kings GIVE their power and strength unto the beast; the 10 kings receive power WITH the BEAST for ONE HOUR, Rev 17:12-13.) Animus toward Israel will continue vis-a-vis "Persia" etc.  Considering the Dark Sentenced nature of this entire business of "terrorism", you can expect there to be sufficient "terrorism" in the region to warrant the presence and hegemony of the United States (even if it is in the person of an Arab ruler to establish a Central Arab "Democratic" State).  Just as Putin told Bush this week (when Bush challenged Putin about the lack of "democracy" in Russia),
We certainly would not want to have the same kind of democracy as they have in Iraq, I will tell you quite honestly." (at which Bush turned red and the Russians laughed at him).  Bush said, "just wait."   Since Egypt is on the strategic list of the neo-con policy in the Middle East (as the Grand Prize), look for the King of the North to come after the King of the South after "extremism" raises its ugly head down there.  Nevermind that the "extremists" are the same as the "insurgents" in Iraq.  The destruction of Israel as a nation is not the objective of US policy (at least not the overt policy).   If you do some research on the neo-cons, you could conclude that gaining control of Jerusalem is a long term objective.  After the plan is set in motion and Israel has sought help from those other than the Almighty, everyone will understand for whom they are actually working.

End 07-16-2006 part B

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