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The covenant of the law given to Moses- Deut. 4:13-23.
The covenant of the promise given to Abraham - Gen. 17:1-6.
The covenant of the promise in the new Testament- Gal. 3:14. "That the blessings of Abraham might come on the Gentiles
through Jesus christ ; that we might receive the promise of the spirit through faith".
3:17- And this I say, that the COVENANT, that was CONFIRMED before of God IN CHRIST, the law, which was 430 years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect".
The covenant of the law was given to Moses 430 years after the covenant of the promise was given to Abraham. This covenant was confirmed in Christ when he died upon the cross. His blood took the place of the blood of bulls and goats. His sacrifice, being accepted of God, caused the sacrifices of animals to cease.
"And he [ Jesus ] shall confirm the covenant [ covenant of promise ] with many for one week [ seven years ] : and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, [ being accepted by God ] and for the over-spreading of abominations [ by the chief priest and elders ] he shall make it desolate [ Matt. 23:38, Behold, your house is left unto you desolate ] even unto the consummation [ the end ], and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate". Desolate [ strong's # 8076 = desolate ] , and that deteremined shall be poured upon Jeusalem. Daniel 9 :27.
In the Lord,
Thank you for the excellent question. First of all, since Daniel 9:27 is an answer to a prayer, it is a good thing to look at the prayer Daniel prayed. A total of seventy (70) "WEEKS" are determined for " thy people", Daniel's people, the Jews, not the saints of all ages. (There is no mention or knowledge of the church in Daniel or his prophecies)
Though I do believe in the “commonwealth of Israel ” of Ephesians 2:12, I do also believe there are specific “dealings” the Lord has with the covenant of promise to Israel and to an entirely separate entity, the church . There are saints of all ages whose salvation is that of the promise in Jesus Christ. However, all saints are not members of the church. All of the elect of the present age (whether Jew or Gentile) are in the church (there is no saved Jew who is not also in the church), but there is yet a future dealing with the saints of the tribulation (both of the 144,000 Jews and of the great number of Gentiles of tribulation saints ). Just as the church had its beginning when the spirit descended at Pentecost to indwell the believers in Acts, so too will it have an end (and that end is depicted in Revelation 4:1 and further described in Revelation 3:10 when the true church is shown as being kept from the HOUR of temptation, not the temptation per se). At the time the church age ends, the Jews can be dealt with as Jews again. And, so the 70th week can begin and, it will, upon the Rapture of the church.
The reason this distinction between the Jew and the church is important is that the events of the book of Revelation (Chapters 6 – 19) are specifically a continuation of Daniels prophecy. Daniel was told to “ seal the book even unto the time of the end” and, of course, Jesus Christ opens the seals to continue Daniel’s prophecy. ( thou art worthy to take the book and to open the seals ) Whatever interpretation is made of Daniel 9:27, it must be consistent with this scenario as well as all others. The scriptures must fit together in all respects.
Continuing with this theme (that Daniel’s prophecy is finished in the book of Revelation) we note that Jesus Christ made reference to the future tribulation saying
Matthew 24:21 For thenshall be great tribulation , such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Pause here for a moment and reflect and you will be left with two choices. The tribulation that Jesus is referring to must be greater than the holocaust of WWII because Jesus said “ no, nor ever shall be .” Consequently, unless you believe that the destruction by the Romans in 70 AD was greater than the holocaust or WWII, this tribulation is yet future. (We know that 50% of the earth’s population will be destroyed in two judgments alone in Revelation 6:8 and Revelation 9:15. This certainly has never happened previously). What was Jesus doing when he said Mat 24:21?
Jesus said the above in answering a question, the question was-
In Mathew 24:3 " ...what shall be the sign of thy coming and of the end of the world ? "
Consequently, Jesus could not have been referring to some previous event. No one would ask Jesus the sign of His first coming (after He was already here on earth).
the complete text is here-
Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation , spoken of by Daniel the prophet , stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
Matthew 24:16-20 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
So, it is clear that Jesus said that at the end of the age (at His Second Coming) a catastrophe greater than WWII in which 10,000,000 Russians alone died (and 2.4 million Jews died in Poland alone) would occur. Of this, there can be no doubt. Since Jesus was already on earth, the “ thy coming ” must have referred to a FUTURE coming and not the one in which He suffered and died.
Why is this important? Because Jesus Himself tells us HOW his future second coming and the end of the age relates to Daniel’s prophecy. Jesus tells us WHEN the great tribulation begins-
Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation , spoken of by Daniel the prophet , stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
I refer you to: http://jesus-is-the-way.com/Endtimes927.html
You can read all the other time length correspondences between Revelation and Daniel on this page. Both the prophecies of Daniel’s 70th week and the Book of Revelation are yet future and they are the same time period, witness the sealing of Daniel and the unsealing of Jesus in Revelation, chapter 5. Hopefully, you are not saying that Revelation took place in the past. The time length correspondences of Revelation and Daniel’s 70th week are too great to say they are not the same time period.
Given the interpretation that Daniel’s 70th week happened already; this would require the book of Revelation to have already happened as well. This would make the Jesuits right after all! (They have been saying it already happened for centuries to avoid being called “antichrist” by the reformists of the 16th century and their heirs. Of course, lately the Jesuits have changed tactics somewhat and taken to attacking the dispensationalists and Calvinists as upholding the OLD Jesuit doctrine - hilarious ).
If this Jesuit view is true (Daniel’s 70th week already happened), all that would matter (because Jesus would already be here in the person of the “church”, i.e., adherents to Rome) and all that would be left is to make the world Christian by having everyone join the watered down church. The Papacy would love this position (along with every other liberal in the world, including the socialists, communists, the National Council of Churches, the World Council of Churches, the United Nations, Vatican II, Pat Robertson, the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) at which Pat spoke and gave his recommendation for a coming world order (see Pat’s book by that name, New World Order), The Trilateralist Commission, the amillennialists, the post millennialists, and every other do-gooder in history.) Can you imagine Paul giving a speech at Athens telling them how to better design the temple of the unknown God? (Acts 17:23). Today’s God consists of making heaven on earth.
Of course, the subject matter of your email is Daniel 9:27 which describes the 70th week of Daniel. My point? The words of Jesus in Mathew 24:15 are referring to the same 70th week. The abomination of desolation appears in the midst of the future 70th week of Daniel according to Daniel 9:27.
It says in Revelation 19:10 that the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy . His testimony is in Mathew 24.
There are 3 abominations in Daniel
Daniel 9:27 overspreading of abominations shall he make it desolate
Daniel 11:31 shall place the abomination that maketh desolate
Daniel 12:11 the abomination that maketh desolate set up
The question is – Why did Jesus use the phrase the “ abomination of desolation ”? It is the abomination that maketh desolate (see Daniel 12:11), not Jesus’ work on the cross that makes desolation .
The abomination is PER SE the thing that makes the desolation . So, the interpretation you presented makes the work of Jesus Himself on the cross an abomination. It is NOT on account of the abomination that we NEED a desolation in Daniel 9:27, but, it is the abomination itself which causes desolation . Daniel 12:11 makes this clear.
Parenthetically speaking, see the 12-24-2004 question on this page for a discussion of the applicability of Daniel 11:31.
Continuing further with the 430 years to which you referred, the scripture specifically renders the time frame (its start point and length) and the resultant counting methodology of the 69 weeks and they do not include the giving of the law or Abraham, but the commandment to rebuild the temple and the coming of Messiah the prince to be cutoff. Daniel 9:25 refers to an event which starts much later (445 BC and the commandment to rebuild Jerusalem) than the giving of the law of Moses, approximately 1490 BC, or Abraham, even earlier. Therefore, there is no justification for concluding that either of these 2 has anything to do with Daniel’s prophecy.
Your interpretation would mean that Daniel’s 70th week had its middle at Jesus’ death. This is an impossibility given the statements of Jesus in Mat 24:15 (and the analysis above showing the abomination as a future event ). Additionally, your interpretation, would render Jesus’ death an abomination.
Furthermore, this would mean that the Lord’s future dealing with the Jew during the tribulation, which lasts EXACTLY 2520 days (or the length of the 70th week) would make a total of 71 weeks, the 70th having already happened. The Lord’s dealing with Israel (the Jew) ended when they rejected the Messiah at the 69th week’s end, which, by the way, occured BEFORE His crucifixion (more on this later). It will resume only when Israel is back in Jerusalem and the church age ended. There can be no church age Jew. A saved church-age Jew is in the church. The count is in effect only when the Jews are in Jerusalem. They will be there during the book of Revelation.
A total of seventy (70) "WEEKS" are determined for " thy people", Daniel's people, the Jews, not the saints of all ages. (There is no mention or knowledge of the church in Daniel or his prophecies). Sixty nine (69) of these "WEEKS" have already happened. Because these sixty nine (69) "WEEKS" that have ALREADY happened lasted a total of 483 years, we know how long the 70th "WEEK" will be. The length of the 70th week corresponds precisely to the book of Revelation which is clearly stated by the Lord Himself as a future event.
The reason we know that the 70th "week" lasts 7 years is that the 7 "weeks" and 62 "weeks" (a total of 69 "weeks"), which have already happened, lasted exactly 483 years = 69 weeks X 7 years/week. The Messiah made His triumphant entry into the City of Jerusalem (Mathew 21:8) exactly 483 years after the commandment of Artaxerxes to rebuild the temple, March 14, 445 B.C. Subsequently, He was "cutoff", crucified, as recorded in Daniel 9:26. Please note that He was crucified AFTER the 7 weeks and the 62 weeks. That is, He was crucified AFTER the 69th week. (Note- a year is 360 days.)
Even if you overlook the clear implication that the death of Christ would become an "abomination" (which you can not), Jesus could not have been the one to cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease due to the fact that the sacrifices continued in Jerusalem for another 40 years (until the Romans destroyed Jerusalem in 70AD) after Jesus' resurrection. There is nothing to allow anything but a literal stoppage of sacrifices either. However, even if you say that He effectively caused the sacrifices (of animals) to cease, how could He confirm the covenant for another 3.5 years (the second half of the week)? Jesus was not here, but ascended to the Father already. The requirement is that the covenant be confirmed with many for one "week" of seven years. The only way to do this is to divide Daniel's 70th week into 2 halves and have the second half be the future events of the book of Revelation. This is an impossibilty because the two witnesses preach for 1260 days (Rev 11:3), one half the tribulation. Then, (after being killed by the antichrist, Rev 11:7-8) their bodies lie in the streets for 3 and one half days, Rev 11:9-12.. This (by itself) would make the length of the events of the Revelation 1263.5 days (more than half of Daniel's 70th week), thus rendering the theory erroneous. That there is NO time lapse between the Great Tribulation (the 2nd half of Daniel's 70th week) and the physical appearance of the Lord Jesus is made clear in Mathew 24:29-30 when Jesus says " Immediately after the tribulation of those days..."
There are other reasons that make the notion of a divided 70th week unsupportable. The first of which is Daniel's prophecy itself. The prohecy would not have been rendered as 7 weeks, followed by 62 weeks, followed by 1 week. The last would have been TWO half weeks, versus one whole week. There is no justification to split the week. In addition to it being a mathematical impossibility, it is a chronological impossibility as well-
Revelation 11:9-12 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half , and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves. And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them , and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth. And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
So, we see here that the 2 witnesses for God rise from the dead AFTER LYING DEAD in the streets for 3 and one half days. They were killed by the beast who ascended from the bottomless pit. We know that the beast (the antichrist) ascends from the bottomless pit and enters the temple in the "midst of the week ". Therefore the 2 witnesses are killed in the midst of the week after having preached for 1260 days during the first half of the week. Their enemies (also the enemies of God) celebrate their death by giving gifts during the 3 and one half days that their bodies lie in the street. If this happened during the second half of the week, the enemies of God would have already been destroyed at the second coming of Christ and they would not be around for the three and one half days their bodies lay in the street. [There will be no celebrating by the enemies of Christ for three and one half days after Christ returns.] Furthermore, the witnesses could not preach for 1260 days (if they started in the middle of the week) because this would require the ascending of the antichrist out of the bottomless pit to happen at the end of the week, thus, giving the antichrist no time to accomplish anything before Christ returns. Because of all these reasons - one is required to conclude that the two witnesses preach for the first half of the tribulation - 1260 days and that this first half of the tribulation is clearly dilineated in the Book of Revelation and is exactly equal to one half of Daniel's 70th "week."
There is another chronological reason that the death of Jesus on the cross is not a fulfillment of ANY portion of Daniel's 70 weeks for thy people , Israel. It is IMPOSSIBLE for the death of Jesus to occur at the end of the 69th week. If one construes the 70th week as immediately following the 69th, His death can not be at the beginning of the 70th week, nor can it be at the middle of the 70th week, nor can it be at the end of the 70th week And so, it is recorded in the prophecies of Daniel.
Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off... Since the 7 weeks precedes the 62 weeks and since Messiah is crucified AFTER the 62 weeks, then, Jesus was crucified AFTER the 69 weeks. What is the event that marks the end and beginning of the 69 weeks?
Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be SEVEN WEEKS , and THREESCORE and TWO WEEKS
According to the meticulous mathematical calculations of Sir Robert Anderson and Clarence Larkin (in the secular works Daniel in the Critics Den and The Book of Daniel , respectively) the 69 weeks ended upon the triumphant entry of Jesus into the City of Jerusalem as recorded in Mathew 21:5-8 and in fulfillment of Zech 9:9. Did you ever wonder why Jesus cautioned His disciples about public pronouncements that would make Him known? The reason for this is that Jesus had a PRECISE moment for this to be done. In Zechariah 9:9 it is said " Thy KING cometh... ". Of course, Jesus will only be King at His Second Coming and it was to O daughter of Jerusalem (not to Jerusalem) that the title KING is given is Zech 9:9. A PRINCE is a King in the making and THIS PRINCE and His arrival is the public fulfillment of Messiah the Prince as recorded in Dan 9:25, not Messiah the King. Jesus encouraged His disciples to find the foal and colt Mathew 21:7. So, He encouraged the public moment at which He was hailed as " blessed is He that cometh in the name of the Lord!!!!" (Mathew 21:9) How awesome is the Lord and His Word!!
After the triumphant entry of Jesus into the city (known as Palm Sunday, traditionally) and after the Olivet Discourse Jesus said-
Mathew 26:2 And ye know that after two days is the feast of the Passover, and the Son of Man is betrayed to be crucified.
As recorded in Mathew 21:18 a day had passed since His triumphant entry and since it was 2 more days until His crucifixion, then, the cross happened several DAYS AFTER the 69th week ended.
The crucifixion is several days later and can not be the beginning or the middle or the end of any 70th week following on the heels of the 69th week!! Half of a week is 1260 days.
Another reader has asked questions concerning Daniel's 70th week and these will be answered shortly. In so doing, it will be shown that a divided 70th week of Daniel is also a THEOLOGICAL IMPOSSIBILITY (in addition to it being a mathematical impossibility and a chronological impossibility as just shown).
Somethings I do not understand : The last week , does it not comprehend seven years?.
Yes, the last week is for seven years.
Does it not follow immediately after the 69 weeks?
No, it does not follow immediately after the 69 weeks.
. Daniel 9:27 will definitely fulfill in the last days .
Yes, it will be fulfilled in the last days.
Are the 69 weeks not for the last days too?.
No, the 69 weeks are NOT for the last days. The first 69 weeks have already been fulfilled. Sixty nine (69) of these "WEEKS" have already happened. Because these sixty nine (69) "WEEKS" that have ALREADY happened lasted a total of 483 years, we know how long the 70th "WEEK" will be.
The reason we know that the 70th "week" lasts 7 years is that the 7 "weeks" and 62 "weeks" (a total of 69 "weeks"), which have already happened, lasted exactly 483 years = 69 weeks X 7 years/week. Messiah the Prince triumphantly entered Jerusalem on the precise and exact LAST DAY of the 69th week, exactly 483 years after the commandment of Artaxerxes to rebuild the temple, March 14, 445 B.C.
This whole prophecy (of Daniel) was made in 538 B.C. while the Jews were in Babylon at the end of their 70-year captivity. The 1st 69 "weeks" were fulfilled exactly as predicted and the 70th "week" will also.
For the prophecy comprehend the 70 weeks as a period of time.
No, the prophecy comprehended a total of seventy weeks clearly divided into the following 3 parts- 7 + 62 + 1 = 70 total and all 3 in the exact order listed. Consequently, when the 62 weeks are done, then, the 69 weeks are done also (because the 7 weeks precedes the 62 weeks). Many make the mistake of reading the scripture of after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off as meaning that 7 weeks remain AFTER Messiah is cutoff. This is false because the 7 weeks precede the 62 weeks.
The text says - Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be SEVEN WEEKS , and THREESCORE and TWO WEEKS
This is clear that from the time of the
commandment to restore (Jerusalem)
and to build Jerusalem (7)
until “Messiah the Prince ” (62) is a “time” represented by two periods (7 + 62).
Thus, 7 “weeks” expired from the commandment to rebuild and the actual rebuilding. (see Nehemiah chapters 3-6)
62 more weeks expired until Messiah the Prince (His triumph entry into Jerusalem riding on the foal of an ass (fulfilling Zech 9:9) and recorded in Mathew 21:7-9)
There are other prophecies concerning Israel that are for 70 years etc, but, they were given as totals, not with the parts enumerated as in this prophecy of Daniel. Consequently, though other prophecies were fulfilled in consecutive years, this particular prophecy is not necessarily fulfilled consecutively because the prophecy (unlike others) is CLEARLY given in THREE parts (7 + 62 + 1). Whether or not they are fulfilled consecutively, the parts are separated and distinguishable.
Those that object to “gaps” per se are reminded of the reading of Isaiah by Jesus in Luke 4:17-20. Jesus was reading from Isaiah 61:2 which reads to proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, and the day of vengeance of our God . After Jesus read “ acceptable year of the Lord ”, He closed the book and stopped reading. The “gap” in that verse has already covered 2000 years because the day of vengeance is yet to be fulfilled and Jesus was clearly indicating that “ the acceptable year of the Lord ” was fulfilled at His reading of the verse.
That there IS a gap between the 69th and 70th week is shown in –
Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks [that is, after the 69 weeks] shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary ; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
What happens during the "gap?" The death of Jesus on the cross and the desolation of Jerusalem.
Here we have Daniel describe the coming destruction of the temple in Jerusalem (the city and the sanctuary) by the Romans in 70AD. At this point, (after the terminus of the 69th week) there has been NO mention of the 70th week (because it has NOT commenced). However prophecy of the “gap” of 9:26 did get fulfilled. “Desolations” for Jerusalem were indeed determined (until the restoration of the Jews to their land in the end times). It is the “ people ” of the “ prince that shall come ” (later ) that destroy the city and the sanctuary (the “ people ” are the Romans and they came as prophesied in 70AD). Later is shown in the next verse (Daniel 9:27) which describes the 70th week of Daniel, the only verse in the Bible to do so.
Those that object to there being “gaps” in the seventy weeks of Daniel probably are not aware that there are FOUR “seventy week” intervals of 490 years each (all of whom have “gaps” which when properly understood are entirely exemplary of God’s dealings with Israel.)
First, from the Birth of Abraham to the Exodus is 505 years, minus the 15 year “gap” of the usurper Ishmael is 490 years.
Second, from the Exodus to the dedication of Solomon’s temple is 591 years. However, if you subtract the “gap” of Israel’s servitude which totals 111 years, you have 490 years.
(see page 72 of Dispensational Truth by Clarence Larkin; examples- 40 years in the wilderness, the granting of Judges and Kings.)
Third, from the dedication of the temple to the edict of Artaxerxes 560 years (subtracting the 70 years “gap” of captivity) yields 490 years.
Fourth, is the 490 years being discussed as Daniel's 70 weeks.
In EVERY CASE, time stands still in the reckoning of God when Israel is OUT of FAVOR. They have been out of favor since they rejected “Messiah the Prince.”
If there are still questions, please let me know.
Just curious, what of the following definition of Dispensationalism do you believe?
from the website - > http://answers.org/theology/dispensationalism.html
The following text in italics is from the website and my response is appended to each section in normal type.
Dispensationalism is a system of prophetic theology.
Dispensationalism is really about the covenants of God: Abrahamic Covenant, Davidic Covenant, New Covenant. (Note: the Mosaic Covenant was really a temporary covenant on account of the disobedience of Israel) God WILL fulfill all the covenants Himself. EVERYTHING depends on understanding the covenants. Dispensationalism is a necessary viewpoint dictated by a proper understanding of the UNconditional Covenants of God. The vast majority of the misunderstanding of prophecy is due to a lack of understanding of the covenants of God.
In short dispensationalists are those who believe in the pre-tribulational rapture of the church.
By necessity. See above. Pre-tribulational rapture is an absolute necessity once one understands the nature of the church (and the promises to Israel).
Dispensationalists emphasis (sic) the teaching of prophecy and the imminent, at any moment, return of Christ.
When discussing prophecy (i.e. those pertaining to the 2nd coming), it is “dispensational” in nature, i.e., the truth may only be obtained from a proper understanding of the Covenants. The imminent return of Christ is a clear doctrine taught in the new testament in any case (independent of “dispensationalism”).
Many ministries who hold dispensational beliefs also emphasize the "soon" return of Christ. The generation that has seen the restoration of the nation Israel to the land is the last generation before the return of Christ.
“Now learn a parable of the fig tree [Israel] ; when his branch is yet tender and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh .” -Mat 24:32
These added beliefs, however, are not a part of dispensational teaching. It can be argued that these added beliefs contradict dispensational theology, and many dispensational scholars reject these teachings as unsound.
Many people can not stand the notion that Jesus might come “soon” (as opposed to “imminently”). It is amazing to me that someone can be in favor of an “imminent” return but opposed to a “soon” return. This begs the question- when does your “imminent” return doctrine apply to YOU the individual? I guess this means everything is fine (unless you actually believe that Jesus might come this year). LOL. Tells me more about where a person’s heart is than it does about any understanding of doctrine.
There are some ministries that have taken the dispensational prophetic system as a starting point and gone to extremes.
All systems have “extremes”. Without pointing out clear examples, this is useless information.
One of the most recent examples was the Korean movement that taught that the rapture would occur on Oct. 28, 1992.
I guess the author must mean that there is no year in which the Lord can return without violating His own doctrine.
My understanding of the author’s viewpoint (as practiced by the Roman Catholic Church and people like Pat Robertson) - Jesus can not come now because we (the so-called “church”) have not converted the earth to a Christian Kingdom. This type of thinking “enables” Roman Catholicism to remain on the throne, encourages “crusades” against “unbelievers” (and “enables” attacks on true believers who are warning those who could be saved.). Wait until the tribulation starts and peoples’ salvation is at stake. At that time, the state will murder those that teach the soon coming of Jesus. What will be the author’s viewpoint then? – Do not teach that Jesus is coming soon because it is “incorrect” doctrine (good grief!!)? Those here on earth (post rapture) will know the EXACT date if they read the Bible. The subject will not be academic. The subject will be whose head is cutoff with the guillotine and who accepts the mark.
Aside - Those that really do not understand salvation make up a great part of bad prophecy teachers. Examples – Seventh Day Adventists.
The main points of dispensationalism are:
1. The recognition of a distinction between Israel and the Church. (true)
2. A consistently literal principle of interpretation -- particularly of Bible prophecy. ( true, except where symbolism exists and is interpreted by the text )
3. A basic working and conception of the purpose of God as His own glory rather than as the single purpose of salvation (true).
Some of the beliefs derived from these principles:
1. The O.T. prophecies of the restoration of national Israel to the land in the last days will be literally fulfilled. ( true)
2. The millennial kingdom mentioned in Revelation will be literally fulfilled at Christ's return after which Christ will reign on the earth for 1000 years. (Pre-millennialism) ( true)
3. The 70 weeks of Daniel spoken of in Daniel 9 refers to a period of 490 years and apply only to Israel ( there will be a great number of Gentiles saved during the 70th week of Daniel and none of them are members of the church. Also, the judgment of the Gentile nations is the result of the tribulation and 2nd coming ). The first 69 weeks have been fulfilled historically, ending at the first coming of Christ. When the Jews rejected the Messiah, the 70 weeks were suspended and a new age or dispensation called the Church age began. The Last or 70th week of Daniel, the last seven years, has yet to be fulfilled. This last week will immediately precede the second coming of Christ. ( all true because Dan 9th chapter says that 70 “weeks” are determined for thy people and the city of Jerusalem , except as noted )
4. The book of Revelation after the letters to the seven churches is a prophecy concerning events that will occur during the last seven years before the second coming or 70th week. (Futurist) This 70th week is called the tribulation period. The last half of this week (the last 3.5 years) is the Great Tribulation spoken of in Dan. 9 and in the olivet discourse (Matt. 24). This tribulation period is a time when God will pour out his wrath on a sinful world. ( true )
5. The coming (Parousia) of Christ will occur in two phases. The first phase will occur at the start of the seventh week. This will be Christ's imminent return for his saints to "rapture" his church as described in I Thess 4. ( and Rev 4 ) All of the Christians (in some cases only overcoming Christians overcoming is wrong, the church, the body of Christ can never be divided ) will be resurrected and taken to the heavenly mansions Christ has prepared for us. (John 14) The church will not be here during the tribulation period because God has ended the Church age and resumed dealing with Israel. The church is also raptured to keep the Christians from the wrath of God which according to Romans 5:9 ( and others such as Rev 3:10, see the 29 reasons for pre-trib rapture http://jesus-is-the-way.com/Rapture.html ) Christians will not experience. The second phase is Christ's second coming at the end of the tribulation with his saints to begin the Kingdom age dispensation.
6. The tribulation period will see a restoration of the fourth worldly kingdom spoken of in Daniel. The fourth kingdom was represented by the legs of Iron in the image of Nebechadnezzer's dream in Dan. 2. The latter phase of the kingdom is represented by the feet or iron and clay. This kingdom is also represented by the terrible beast of Dan. 7. This fourth kingdom was the Roman empire. The Roman empire will be restored (disagree and this is one of the main differences I have with Tim LaHaye, Hal Lindsey ( Late Great Planet Earth , etc. This expectation of the "Roman Empire" will cause many to miss the events. See http://jesus-is-the-way.com/ACEURome.html ) in time for the tribulation and will consist of a confederation of 10 kings (see http://jesus-is-the-way.com/TenKings2.html ) or kingdoms headed by the little horn of Daniel also known as the son of perdition (II Thess. 2 - the falling away is the rapture (false, falling way is departure from the truths of the Bible), that which restrains is the Holy Spirit whose taking away implies the absence of the church from the earth). The son of perdition is called the Anti-Christ and spoken of in Rev. 13 where he makes all who dwell on the earth to receive the mark of the beast ( true and in this sense only do we have a world “empire” – buying and selling to enforce worship )
7. Sacred history consists of different dispensations or 'economies'. A dispensation is a period of time during which man is tested in respect of obedience to some specific revelation of the will of God. Dispensational schemes will vary slightly from one author to the next. One of the most popular schemes is that found in the Scofield Reference Bible (one of the sources that helped popularize dispensationalism All of my brothers and I had one growing up .). It is:
8. Creation to fall Innocency
9. Fall to flood Conscience
10. Flood to Abraham Human Government
11. Abraham to Moses Promise
12. Moses to Christ Law
13. Church Age Grace
14. Millennium Kingdom
A new period or dispensation begins when God introduces a change in the principles or ordinances valid up to that time. For example a number of ordinances are introduced at the time of Noah. At the coming of Christ many of the Mosiac Laws or ordinances are annulled. The purpose of God in each dispensation is his own glory.
This system of dispensational teaching including the concept of the pre-tribulational rapture was first developed among the Plymouth Brethren in the early 19th century in England and Ireland. John N. Darby in particular is credited with forming much of this theology. ( most SAY that is where the rapture originated, but Darby is not the originator. See 2 Thessalonians which yields a pre-trib rapture as the only logical means of interpretation. The rapture originated with the Bible, not with men. Saying that Darby originated the rapture is like saying Martin Luther originated faith as the means to salvation. The “Darby” viewpoint is now a chief tool of the Jesuits to discredit the literal interpretation of the Bible. While discreditting the "Darbyists", the Jesuits can discredit those that identify Babylon the Great as the Vatican. Using the Jesuit logic, the “church” must be an invalid concept since it was not in the old testament and therefore is of “recent” understanding. "Darbyists" are just as "bad" as Noah. Noah preached 120 years that the flood is coming. ) Dispensational theology was popularized more widely in evangelical and fundamentalist circles in North America through a series of Bible Conferences beginning in the late 1870's. By the early 20th century about the time of the writing of _The Fundamentals_ (from which the term fundamentalist is derived) dispensationalism became the most popular prophetic theology in fundamentalist schools and Bible Institutes in America.
This is only a quick summary of some of the dispensational ideas to give you an idea of what I mean when I use the term. I am not a dispensationalist myself. I do have friends who believe this theology and who I respect.
These three points come from _Dispensationalism Today_ by Charles C. Ryrie, The Moody Bible Institue of Chicagp, 1965. Ryrie has a Ph.D. from the University of Edinburgh and a Th.M. and Th.D from Dallas Theological Seminary. He is a professor of systematic theology at Dallas.
Dallas Theological Seminary is known for being the premier dispensational school in the U.S., perhaps the world. Moody Bible Institute is also a markedly dispensational school. Many well known ministers and teachers (at least in the U.S.) are graduates of these schools. ( Dallas Theological Seminary was THE premier dispensationalist school. Things To Come by D. Pentecost was a PhD dissertation at Dallas . )
Here is a comparison of dispensational versus historic or classical views as given by Bob and Gretchen Passantino:
Differences Concerning Israel and the Church
(Classic or Dispensational)
Classic position is shown first. Dispensationalist position is shown second.
Most of the “Classic” positions are that of the Roman Catholic Church. The RCC has spent its entire history trying to replace the Jews and since the 16th century trying to refute Protestantism. They will “succeed” for a short period during the tribulation. The tribulation “winners” will be those martyred into glory. The “losers’ will be the ones who go along with the “church” and the antichrist and accept the mark and live (only to be cast into the lake of fire later).
--God has always had but one spiritual people, represented by the remnant in every generation. (this is confusing to say the least because it can mean anything. )
God has two bodies -- Israel and the church. ( both are in the “commonwealth of Israel” and both have Abraham as their father and therefore, though distinct, they are all the seed of Abraham, some spiritual only, some natural and spiritual, all through Christ, with each of the 2 bodies having different roles and positions )
--God's promises to Israel were conditional.( false)
God's promises to Israel were unconditional, and therefore are still binding. (true, see the Covenants above )
--All earthly promises to Israel have been either fulfilled or invalidated through disobedience and unbelief. ( false )
God's promises concerning the return to the land, rebuilding the temple, etc., were never fulfilled. They are therefore still future. (true)
--Israel was a type of the church and was superseded by the church. (the spiritual path of Israel to a relationship with the Lord is identical to that of any believer and the OT is therefore for our “patience and learning that through the comfort of the scriptures we might have hope.” Nothing can and will supercede Israel, even though the church is “grafted into the tree.” )
Although Israel was a type of the church, they will always remain separate.(we reign jointly during the 1000 years, but are separated later – the earth and heavenly Jerusalem. King David becomes Israel’s prince on earth forever. The church is assuredly distinct form Israel.)
--The church was prophesied in the Old Testament, in Old Testament language.(spiritual teaching is available to the church, or the Jews, from the OT, but the “church” was a “mystery” until Paul revealed it in the NT.)
Christ instituted the church as a "parenthesis." ( true, between the 69th and 70th weeks of Daniel.)
--Christ was, and is, the only Hope of Israel ( true, but a Jew saved today is saved into the church and is “neither Jew nor Greek”). And Israelites (Jews) will be saved only if they accept him during this age. ( false. The remnant of Jews is saved during the tribulation . )
Christ came the first time to establish an earthly millennial kingdom with Israel. (since Christ Knew what would happen, how can this be said? Simply, the Jews rejected their Messiah. As described in the Book of Daniel, He was at that time “Messiah the Prince”, i.e., a KING in the making, not a King.)
--The first advent of Christ completed Israel's redemption, and manifested the Israel of God (the church) referred to in
Galatians 6:16. (false )
Israel rejected him (true ), then God postponed this plan ( for a sovereign God, this sounds naive) until the
second advent. (It is true that God will bring the Jewish nation to Himself during Daniel’s 70th week. )
--Christ instituted a Jewish-Gentile church. ( He instituted the church at pentecost and ANYBODY can be in it, so in this sense, the statement is true and no self-respecting dispensationalist would disagree. However, national salvation for Israel results from the trial of the 70th week of Daniel and is made a reality at the end of the 70th week of Daniel.)
Christ instituted a Gentile church. ( since Paul is a Jew, this is an unsupportable statement. In fact virtually the whole new testament was written by Jews. An ignorant prejudiced Baptist might believe a statement like this (or the Pope might), but nobody taught this at Dallas Theological Seminary.)
--All unfulfilled spiritual promises to Israel are being fulfilled through the Christian church.(false )
Israel is God's earthly people the church is God's heavenly people. (post millennium only, Abraham’s seed was “as the sands of the sea and as the stars of heaven.”
--This does not represent a change in God's plans, but evidences progressive (continually unfolding) revelation.( each person has continually unfolding revelation, so this is confusing. However, in so far as total truth is concerned, the New Testament is necessary to complete the Old Testament message. )
Israel's destiny is to remain on earth forever, the destiny of the church is to spend eternity in heaven. ( true )
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